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Los Angeles Clippers 104 Final

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106 Boston Celtics
Kevin Garnett, PF 28 MIN | 5-9 FG | 2-2 FT | 5 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 12 PTS | +3
12 points and 5 boards pale in comparison to the numbers some of his contemporaries are putting up (Tim Duncan, Zach Randolph) but Garnett was the only Celtic starter on the salvation side of the +/- scale. He had the unenviable job of getting smacked around by Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan all afternoon and only earned one technical foul. If the C’s ended up on the losing end of this one, I’d cite Garnett’s one tech as a small victory.
Brandon Bass, PF 30 MIN | 3-7 FG | 3-4 FT | 8 REB | 4 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 9 PTS | -10
In a game where everything was going right for the C’s for large stretches of time, Bass came away with 4 assists and 8 boards. Bass dropping 4 dimes is as close to a miracle as we’re likely to see in our lifetimes. According to Basketball-Reference, he’s only done had four assists in a game once before in his career. Bass is playing inspired basketball as of late. One can’t help but think that his play has something to do with knowing his job and his minutes are safe.
Paul Pierce, SF 36 MIN | 7-16 FG | 4-5 FT | 5 REB | 4 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 6 TO | 22 PTS | -1
Paul Pierce gives the game what it needs. Tonight, it needed a step back three at the end of the shot clock leaving only 2.5 seconds left on the game clock. Pierce was all too happy to oblige.

Pierce’s shot was all too reminiscent of his buzzer beater on Al Harrington in 2003. Same side of the floor, shooting at the same basket. He’s had a ton of memories here. Let’s hope he continues to hit buzzer beaters in this building.

Avery Bradley, PG 26 MIN | 2-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 4 PTS | -11
Bradley is a game-changer whenever he’s on the floor. Opposing point guards don’t like having to bring the ball up against him and opposing shooting guards know they’re going to have a much harder time getting a shot off. Jamal Crawford learned that first hand when Bradley drew a charge/flopped with 26 seconds left. Pierce’s step back three was nice, but I’d argue Bradley iced the game prior by drawing the foul on Crawford.

Despite his late game heroics, Bradley is still a bit inconsistent on offense and completely BLEW a two-handed flush. That kind of stuff happens. Everyone loves dunks but I can’t help but think he wouldn’t have missed it had he laid it in. Or maybe if he just dunked it and didn’t try and flush it. Either way, Bradley can be better so I’m grading him a bit harshly for motivational purposes.

Courtney Lee, SG 30 MIN | 2-6 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 7 PTS | -7
Courtney provided “a little of this and a little of that” for this win. He ran point, he defended both Eric Bledsoe and Jamal Crawford, and he made some timely drives to the basket they either ended up in a made floater or a trip to the free throw line. He was also present for the Celtics near collapse in the second half. Lee contributed a few arguments with the officials after getting his elbow smacked on an opponent’s reach-around-pick-pocket attempt. This is an instance where the C’s need to be mentally tougher and play through bad calls.

Where Lee’s grade really fell off was late in the fourth quarter when he turned the ball over twice resulting in two Bledsoe steals. Rivers swapped Lee for Terry after the second TO and it paid off as Terry nailed a long two to stretch the lead to five with just over a minute left.

Jeff Green, PF 23 MIN | 4-6 FG | 3-4 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 1 TO | 14 PTS | +4
Green continues to get better. It has taken him a while to find his place on this team and I think he has. He can lead the break, go coast-to-coast, spot up in the corner for three, and he’s a strong right-handed driver. Teams have yet to really figure out how to stop him when he sets his mind to doing one of those aforementioned things. He still has a tendency to make a wing pass when he doesn’t have a lane to drive and I’d like to start seeing him feed the post. The swing passes are becoming a bit too predictable. Sure, it’s a motion offense so swing passes happen but balls are starting to get tipped and Green’s been the offending passer on his fair share.

On the defensive side, Green was rangy. He made the Clippers think twice about throwing the ball inside when they saw Green lurking from defending the corner man. He also came up with two blocks (one on an awesome closeout) which indicate that he’s trying to be more aggressive. He’s even trying to be more aggressive on the boards, something that obviously does not come natural to him, even if it does not translate to the boxscore. He had one impressive board against the Clippers that saw him snag it at the very peak of his jump. Given Green’s size and athleticism, I’d say the ball was roughly one million feet in the air (give or take a inch) when Green got it. I want to see more of that.

Chris Wilcox, PF 4 MIN | 2-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | +4
Wilcox got a steal, an alley-oop dunk, and a driving layup all in the first three minutes of the second quarter. Then he inexplicably didn’t get back into the game. Wilcox has been brought along slowly after injuring his thumb earlier in the season, but Doc Rivers has also seen a lack of consistency with Wilcox that gives him pause before putting him in the game. Here’s what Rivers said pregame:

“He’s spotty and we want him to be more consistent. We talk about guys doing their job he has really one great job he has to do. He has to be our defensive energy guy and then on offense he has to run the floor. He has to do that consistently and I don’t think he does it yet consistently yet but I think he’s gotten better in practices each time and definitely in the games.”

A steal, a rebound, and an alley-oop dunk in four minutes would indicate that Wilcox consistently did his job for the four minutes he was on the court. I think it’s time to lengthen the leash.

Jason Collins, C 12 MIN | 1-1 FG | 5-5 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 7 PTS | +3
This may have been Jason Collin’s best game in a Celtics uniform. He had 7 points through three quarters which prompted @BlackAthleteSN to make a bet with CelticsBlog’s Evans Clinchy that Collins would score in double figures. Collins’ performance was that awe-inspiring. Bet or no bet, Collins banged against Blake Griffin and knocked down all of his five free throws, not a bad way to spend a Sunday afternoon.
Jason Terry, SG 31 MIN | 5-7 FG | 1-1 FT | 2 REB | 6 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 13 PTS | +17
Terry had an amazing offensive game, highlighted by that clock-winding-down, cold-blooded pull-up from 17 feet. That bucket stretched the C’s lead to 5 with just over a minute left.

Terry was docked a bit for his defense. There were a couple of times during the Clippers comeback that Terry could be found walking over to a Celtics timeout, patting his chest in an indication of “my bad.” Luckily, his defensive miscues weren’t game changers but nothing is more frustrating than playing 20 seconds of great defense only to give up a wide open look.

Leandro Barbosa, SG 21 MIN | 5-10 FG | 3-4 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 14 PTS | +8
The more minutes Barbosa has gotten, the more awesome he’s been. Barbosa needs to remain a bench player as he completely torches backup guards. Even at 30, he’s still incredibly fast and can finish near the hoop with an array of moves. Tear drop, scoop shot, layup, dunk. We’ve seen it all in his short Celtics career and it’s been a pleasant surprise.
Doc RiversThe Celtics are playing with house money right now and River’s still continues to win big hands. It’s really hard to game plan when you don’t have your entire roster. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rivers’ is preparing his team mentally more so than in pure Xs and Os.

The move he made when he subbed in Terry to replace Lee late in the game is the tactical decision that stands out for Rivers. It may seem like a no-brainer after Lee turned the ball over twice, but Terry is such a drop off on defense that the decision could have easily burned him. Instead, Terry hits a big shot and the C’s never look back.

  • Phil725

    Great box score for Jason Collins yesterday with a true shooting percentage over 100% and a 237 offensive rating. I guess unleashing Collins was the secret to a top 10 offense all along. I would've set the over/under for 'Collins points off of 3s' at .5 for the year, and I think we all would've taken the under. He scored 3 of them last night though!

    A note on Bass; I'm pretty those 4 assists were all in the first half too. So he was actually on pace for 8 for a while.

    I'm surprised that Wilcox is playing so few minutes when the offense consistently goes crazy with him on the floor, but I'm also surprised that the big man minutes have changed so little since Sully went down. KG hasn't played over 30 minutes since the injury, yet Wilcox is still not playing and Collins hasn't played a ton either. I guess it speaks mostly to the Cs ability to succeed with super small lineups. Competition was a factor for the first two, and they did get outrebounded by LAC by 12, but it really didn't feel that bad during the game. (I think the Cs got 2 rebounds in the 1st quarter since LAC either scored or turned it over every possession, so that throws the numbers off.)

    I still have doubts (understatement,) about a Bass/Green rotation at the 4, which is basically what they've been using, but I also don't think Collins should ever play more than 12 minutes. Doc's going to have to trust Wilcox at some point this year, because they can't afford to glue him to the bench when he's actually healthy. He's so perfect for this offense that I don't think he can screw up on defense enough to make it not worth it.

    • http://CelticsHub.com Brendan Jackson

      I just checked the game book and all of Bass' assists did come in the first half (great catch!). In the spirit of full disclosure, I didn't remember a single one of Bass' assists while watching the game. After reviewing the game book, it appears as though all of Bass' assists came off of made jumpers (1 from Pierce, 3 from Terry). While they weren't of the Rondo-esque spectacular variety, it suggests something even better: efficient offensive execution. I'd have to watch the game again to verify but I remember the first half being so impressive, I specifically requested the rapid recap and grades. This seems like just another confirmation.

      Totally unrelated but I figured I'd share: Gethin Coolbaugh (NBAonNBC) and I talked to Collins after the game about his career three pointers. Apparently when Collins was in NJ, LFrank drew up a set play in which Collins popped out to the three point line. It was the first play of the game and Collins drained it. I guess the Nets had already secured their playoff position and were trying to keep things light. Collins said he hit another three in that game and then volunteered that he had Eddy Curry guarding him, to which I quipped, "you mean you had Eddy Curry somewhat near you." He agreed. For all of his on-court shortcomings, he's a really cool/good guy.

  • janos

    hi Phil

    • Phil725

      Hi janos. Hope everything's going well with you.

      • janos

        is ok phil
        i am have to much whiskeys last night and come on here kind of loose my cool but Bryan and I have a talk and is all respect now. i am not sure if agree you secret collings for win, but is nice see this guys work hard us, all player is go very hard until rondos come back iam the hoping still for long playoffs.

  • http://twitter.com/Sean945 @Sean945

    Am I the only one who thinks Courtney Lee's defense is wildly overrated? He gets beat of the dribble more often than even Barbosa. He runs around a lot and hustles in transition which gives the appearance of solid D but it just isn't that good, certainly not in the same league as Bradley anyway.

    For me this game was the first where I thought 'we really miss Rondo right now'. That 4th quarter was a hot mess and we could have really used a natural PG to direct traffic. Overall though I like the way we're playing and that Green/Terry/Barbosa bench mob can be dynamite at times. The Raptors game has 'trap' written all over it though…

    • Josh_5

      I agree about the Toronto game. Rudy Gay is doing his best "dumped ex-girlfriend" impression right now. I don't think Courtney's D is that bad. Crawford and Bledsoe are tough covers, especially when they're running high double screens for them.

      • http://twitter.com/Sean945 @Sean945

        Bledsoe, Crawford and Redick last game are tough no doubt but it's not just them, he sticks on every pick. I want to be clear here, i'm not saying he's a bad defender but I don't think he is as good as his reputation.

        I will say though it is refreshing to see all our guards try to stay in front of their man and not gamble like Rondo does, that is a huge pet peeve of mine. It's up there with coaches trying to distract shooters and 20 second timeouts lasting 3 minutes.

        • Phil725

          It depends on how you rate Lee's defense. I think he's properly rated; he has good size/length, good speed and solid athleticism, and that allows him to bother guys (some more than others.) He lacks elite, Bradley level athleticism though, and he doesn't have the full mental defense package necessary (knowing where the picks are coming from and where the plays are going, tenacity to fight through every one, etc.) He's a good defender who gets beat sometimes. I think that's what most people see him as.

          • http://twitter.com/Sean945 @Sean945

            Yeah, you're probably right Phil although the rhetoric from the team (calling Bradley/Lee the pitbulls etc.) would suggest they rate him rather higher than I do. It will be interesting to watch him adjust to slashers like DeRozan/Fields next game as they're probably easier for him to guard than shooters like Redick/Crawford.

    • KillerGymRat

      I think Lee is solid, but I agree he doesn't have the gift Bradley has (few do) of being able to squeeze so tightly around screens and he isn't able to be as agressive since his feet aren't as quick. I typically judge D based on effort and Lee is always consistent and really trying…unlike Bass who everybody seems to ignore is a huge defensive liability. Bass gave up at least 4 alley oops by repeatedly losing his man and he never seems to know where he should be.

      After this game I actually (for the first time) thought that Bradley might be a bit overrated. Maybe it's the bruised ribs, but he's had a hard time staying in front of explosive guards (both Irving and Bledsoe got by him at will).

  • Anthony

    I like to make some sense of the KG to Clippers rumors. Even if hypothetically KG waves the no trade clause and Pierce is also traded. I understand Bledsoe would be a nice addition and solid back-up PG but he's also good enough to warrant a contract extension next year. As it stands the Celts have 4 players (Pierce, Green, Barbosa, CLee) that play Butler's position. Also it leaves the Celts with only Collins, Wilcox and Fab that can play center. No exactly ideal. Even if Clips add a 1st rounder, the pick would be very low and not worth a great deal. Are there any other benefits besides getting under the luxury tax?

    If there are any truths to this rumor, I would be highly upset and would have to re-classify DA as a moron.

    • Phil725

      Your details for the Bledsoe contract are off; he's still on his rookie contract next year (2.6m) and he's only due a 3.7m qualifying offer in 14-15. After that he'll become a restricted free agent (assuming the team didn't sign him to a Stephen Curry/Demar Derozan like extension.) He basically has the same exact contract as Bradley. Players don't get resigned before their rookie deals end in the NBA. Bledsoe is a legitimate asset to get back; just look at what he did against the Cs yesterday. He could potentially develop into a full time star/allow the team to trade Rondo later/or be moved again himself after the Cs showcase his improvement.

      Adding Butler is just about matching salary to make the trade work, fit isn't a concern. If you trade KG, you're gonna suck regardless of who you get back. It would be a future move with the main focus being getting back Bledsoe.

      That said, it's just a rumor. Likely no substance to it.

      • Anthony

        I actually meant that Bledsoe would warrant a extension after next year which would be his 3rd. Either way, it would just be too many domino effects if KG were to ever be traded. You would need a legit center back and what will result with all the guards.

        This is a trade I would like to see, though I must admit, I haven't seen Alec Burks play much.
        http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bg24m

        • Phil725

          Well, getting a center for the future is going to be a problem regardless of what happens. That's why there was so much interest in Cousins. With him off the table, there are none of those available right now.

          Bledsoe would warrant an extension after the end of next year (I think the cutoff is like a month before the next season starts, but not sure,) but you would still have him at the small number for the 14-15 season. Stephen Curry makes 3.9m this year and it jumps up to 10m next year. Bledsoe wouldn't see a big number until 15-16, and you have to pay everyone sooner or later. If Bledsoe is a quality starter in this league, his salary is a positive all around.

    • KillerGymRat

      It has to be a rumor. It makes no sense for either team. Not with the pieces being discussed. The only part that makes sense is if KG was a title chaser (which he isn't) in which case him going there makes total sense for him as he would improve their team and could arguably shift the power away from OKC or SA as the west fave and have a shot this season to win it all.

      But in reality I don't see him wanting out of the C's and without KG the C's would be one of the worst defensive teams in the league with no rebounding and nobody to stop drives to the hoop. We already have Pierce, Green and Bass, so what does adding Butler help? He doesn't rebound or defend well and we likely can't move either Bass or Green, no way he's starting over Pierce, so suddenly we would have a clogged bench of so-so scorers and be without the one true big man threat we had. Most of all the C's are winning (and arguably playing better) without a true point guard so trading for one…especially an untested and inexperienced one who will be relegated to a back-up next season makes no sense.

      It doesn't work for the Clips either. Having KG bolsters their D. But they have so many bigs already and without Bledsoe they have no backup PG in a season where CP3 and Billups are struggling to stay healthy and in giving away Butler they lose the depth that makes their team so dangerous when they are at full strength. There's a reason why Crawford has bounced around the league so much. He isn't somebody you can build around. He only knows how to score so giving him the point would be a disaster (just ask Portland, or Atlanta, or Chicago).

      It would only make a bit of sense (somewhat) if Jordon or Odom was part of the deal instead of Butler as the C's need a rebounding big and front court help. IMO Bledsoe is an incredible talent…but never in a million years could he replace Rondo. He's the second coming of Nate Robinson, who might develop to be a slightly better passer and looks like he'll definitely be more mature. But yesterday was proof he doesn't yet understand the position enough to run a half court offense or get others involved.

      That said, Ainge has made more befuddling moves.

      • Phil725

        I'm curious what you thought was wrong with Bledsoe's game last night. He had 23 points, 10 assists and 7 rebounds. And he didn't hurt the team with those stats, because the Clippers posted a 112 offensive rating for the game, including 138 in the 38 minutes Bledsoe played.

        I'm wondering how you came up with Nate Robinson too, because about the only comparison between the two is position. Bledsoe's closest comparison is probably a rich man's Avery Bradley. He's an elite-elite defender, and a slasher on offense who's just now showing his offensive game. He's not even short, he's a 6'1" point guard. He's really not a traditional point guard at all, even if LAC/someone else might hope to turn him into one. I'd expect the Cs to try and trade Rondo if they got Bledsoe… but then again, I'm kind of in love with defensive combo guards with elite athleticism.

        The deal makes sense for LAC because Jordan is a role player, not a full game center. He can't play late in games or for extended minutes, and Odom is terrible. KG improves their title chances as much as any one player would. For Boston, you get a good young guy to help start the rebuild. You don't pay attention to fit because you're tanking if you make that trade.

        • KillerGymRat

          Bledsoe’s numbers yesterday were great. And you can list all the offensive stats you want to support his play. But only one number counts – wins. LAC lost, and despite arguably having a more athletic squad. Since CP3 went down Bledsoe’s individual numbers are great, but with him running the show they are on a big losing streak. Translation: in his hands a team that once had the best record in the league could barely compete with our depleted Celtics.

          Most of his assists where from running the break. How hard is it to throw lobs to Blake and Jordan or lead passes to wide open guys? We slowed them into a half court and they could barely get decent shots. Their comeback was built entirely on fast break points and the C's taking the second half off.

          He is an awesome athlete. But I don't think anybody views him as a starter at this stage in his career. Defensively he's not as committed as Bradley so I think a better comparison to his defensive skills is Westbrook. They are both freakish athletes, and like RW, Bledsoe makes marks with steals and blocks, but not by locking his opponent down like AB. He gambles quite a bit like Rondo does, but he's much more explosive so he gets away with it (mostly). He probably attempts more blocks than any guard other then Westbrook and D-Wade…which means either there is a guy who just blew past him, or somebody left open he slid off of. Personally I don't call that elite D.

          The Robinson comparison is based on their freakish athleticism and aggressive playing style (not size). It's quite fair and is actually a compliment. They are both scoring guards who go full out on every play at both ends (and they have nearly identical PERs). I think Nate (aside from his bb IQ) is underrated, and one of few guards in the league who can come off the bench and dramatically change a game on both ends of the floor. He's killing it in Chicago (highest PER on the team), and was putting up amazing numbers for Golden State the end of last season when Curry went down.

          Trading away Rondo for Bledsoe would be a HUGE mistake. IMO you can't build a team around Bledsoe for the reasons I've mentioned and aside from defense (which he is indeed a big improvement) Rondo is a better rebounder, considerably better passer and floor general, and arguably just as good a scorer (though reluctant at times).

          And I'm not saying I want Jordon or Odom (who I agree is terrible). I'm saying Butler in the deal makes absolutely no sense? You're not building a team around him. If you could Dallas would have kept him. He's not even a good asset as he has a terrible contract on par with Greens that isn't expiring so it doesn't make sense cap wise either. You'd have to deal away Bass, Green, or even flip Butler and just moving any one of those pieces will be a challenge. I just don’t see any pluses with that move.

          If you're pulling the plug and going to blow it up then you build around a young star. If Ainge doesn't think that player is Rondo, I can understand the thinking, but then bring in somebody who is. You don’t give up the heart and soul of the franchise for Bledsoe and Butler.

          • Phil725

            Butler is included in the deal for salary reasons. You need to take back about what you send out, so you need to get close to 12m coming back for KG. Given the salaries on the LAC roster, that's either of Butler/Odom and Bledsoe. I'd prefer Odom since it's one year, but two years isn't bad either. The Cs can't sign anyone this offseason no matter what, so it's just another 8m dollars that's not coming out of my pocket. It's not on the same level as the Green (4 years) or Bass (3 years) deals. You can just let him play out next season and move on.

            As far as Bledsoe, I just disagree with a lot of your reasoning. Kyrie Irving is having one of the best years among point guards, and his team loses because everyone else sucks. Bledsoe is playing for a team missing the best PG in the league, and he doesn't have nearly the amount of responsibility as other guys on the team, so I'm not sure why he gets credit for those losses. Besides, does it make him a better player if Pierce misses that shot and Jamal Crawford hits a game winner on the other side? Judging an individual player (let alone a role player,) by wins/losses is a bad way to do business. He's been a valuable contributor on a top 3 team all year. He's not Chris Paul, Bledsoe's never carrying that team like he does.

            Just to be clear, no one's saying that Bledsoe is better than Rondo or is any kind of star player right now. He's barely 23 though, and his offense is still improving. He has a very high ceiling that a lot of people around the league think he'll reach. If you trade for him, you expect him to be a quality starter eventually.

            I don't watch the Clippers closely enough game to game to be able to defend Bledsoe's defense specifically, but I know he's as skilled there as anyone in the league. That should be the last concern in trading for him.

            Still, you're right that he's not someone to build around. You're not gonna get someone to build around for a 36 year old player who's going to retire in a year or two, even if it is KG. That's why I was assuming Rondo would eventually be moved. You might be able to get a franchise centerpiece for Rondo, you can't for KG. Bledsoe/Bradley could be a very dynamic backcourt in a year or two, and that would make it easier to deal Rondo. Part of my theory is that I don't think Ainge wants to build the team around a PG. In two years, you'd be looking at something like Bledsoe/Bradley/whoever you get for Rondo. And I like that better than Rondo/Bradley/nothing.

            There might be a better deal for KG out there, and that's why Ainge will shop around before even considering a deal, but this is a good one. Blowing it up is gonna suck regardless, at least this one would give me some hope for the future.

          • KillerGymRat

            You of course have every right to disagree. But the reasoning is sound.

            I completely disagree judging individual players by wins and losses is bad business. It's how business is done. When you're talking about a trade, you have to factor in does the players individual play translate to team wins. You can't make decisions just based off of stats or +/- I'm not basing Bledsoe's value entirely on wins and losses. I'm factoring it in with his individual play and future potential. Win/loss is always a factor and the reason why most trades happen. There are obviously a ton of other factors, such a contract, temperment, and the teams individual needs, but you have to look at wins/losses.

            Why is LAC even interested in making a trade? Because they are losing and they know Bledsoe isn't getting them wins. They believe KG will get them wins.

            This doesn't mean Bledsoe isn't valuable. But it's pretty sound reasoning to factor in that with Bledsoe at the helm the Clippers offense isn't effective and the team as a whole is underperforming. This is not entirely his fault. But he's the starting PG right now so he has to share in the blame and it's a clear indicator of his current impact.

          • Phil725

            What about the top 3 NBA record they had prior to the Paul injury? They were winning a lot and winning big with Bledsoe then. How much credit does he get for that? Because I'd love him as a role player, which is what he was then. I don't want to make him a franchise PG, which is what he's being asked to do now.

            On the year, the Clippers are still a much better team than the Celtics, the Cs were below .500 with Rondo. Does that mean Rondo's less valuable than Bledsoe? How about the other all star PGs with better records, Deron Williams or Jrue Holliday? How about Caron Butler versus Paul Pierce?

            That's taking it to the theater of the absurd obviously, but I'd argue that judging a young role player for his role replacing an MVP candidate over a 2-7 stretch is the same thing. You're judging him by an impossible standard. At this point in his career, you should be looking for what he can be in two years and how he could help the team then. I see a player with a ridiculous defensive ceiling who can handle the ball and drive into the lane at will. That's a pretty good start.

            There's something to be said for empty stat players that always seem to end up on losing teams, but it's very hard to quantify how much one player is contributing or taking away from a team's chances to win unless they're someone like Lebron. Tons of guys go from bad teams to winners, and they didn't suddenly improve; the talent around them just got better.

            And LAC is interested in making the trade because KG makes them title favorites. Right now they're not getting past San Antonio and OKC back to back, and that's before they get to Miami. If you can trade a promising young player to seriously bump your title odds, you do it.

          • KillerGymRat

            Theater of the absurd for sure as you seem to be ignoring the point I made which is that win/loss is "a" factor…but just one of many factors. As just one of many factors it's pointless to argue the impact of record alone. And apparently you don't want to concede that wins/losses are an important thing to factor in, so I'll just agree to disagree. Though since the all-star voting among coaches heavily factors in wins in their decisions I do think I'm on to something.

            I completely agree, the trade makes perfect sense for LAC.

            As for the C's…I don't see the fair value. My point all along is that Bledsoe is not ready to helm a team and though he has great potential (primarily as a scorer and defender), it isn't worth parting with Rondo as you suggested they could and I don't see him being happy to sit for the rest of his career as a bench player so IMO we are losing more then we gain and it's not a good building block for our future.

            Aka it's a deal I would never make.

          • Phil725

            Yep I did misread your point on win/loss. You called win/loss always a big factor in making trades, and I read that as a always a big factor in determining value. I agree that it's a piece of the puzzle, though it's not something I put a ton of value in (and certainly not in this situation.) Agreeing to disagree is fine though.

            I guess the question is who can you get for KG that's better? I think it's pretty close to 100% that KG retires as a Celtic. I don't think he waives the no-trade clause, and I don't think Ainge breaks this team up for market value. But if you were forced to make a hypothetical trade, who could you get better than Bledsoe? You're never getting fair value, because KG is vital to this team. KG's age means that no one will give you back something to replace that vitalness though.

            As far as parting with Rondo, that has to deal more with my feelings on him than Bledsoe. Building a team around Rondo scares the hell out of me. If I could get a potential franchise center like Cousins for him, I would do that. And I'd rather have Bledsoe on my team at that point. I wouldn't mind a Bledsoe/Bradley/?/?/Cousins line in three years.

  • KillerGymRat

    Jason Collins played 12 minutes and had 1 rebound. Also nearly all his points came from free throws which he basically earned by being thrown around and not getting rebounds. If this is his best game it's going to be a huge problem come playoff time when every rebound is so crucial.

    I'd love to see Wilcox get more run. I can't speak to the consistency he's putting out in practice, but the 4 minutes he played yesterday were great…and definitely warranted at least another 4 in the second half, especially when we went on the drought from lack of effort. I don't think he'll ever be a big minute player, but he deserves at least the same or more as Collins.

    No suprise both Terry and Barbosa are playing better. I've said all along they both need to handle the ball a lot to get a rhythm. Terry is deadly when he gets to pull up off the dribble and we're finally starting to see him get his confidence.

  • jr9901

    I would give Rivers an D- for failing to bring Bradley back to stop the rampaging Bledsoe — since AB was the only would could slow him down — BEFORE the Clips had almost tied the score. I couldn't believe how long he waited. The 4 fouls have nothing to do with it — or shouldn't have had — because the only reason to hold players back is to win the game, and Doc almost lost it by failing to put AB back when the team most sorely needed him.

  • Bill

    Give it a break…we won so everyone averages B+ or better. Grades are for school, we have professional business people as fans and will you stop with this infantile report.

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