Post-game Reactions

For as long as The Big Three have been in Boston, this Celtics roster has repeatedly had one major flaw that you could count on over the past five seasons. Turnovers.There’s really no rhyme or rhythm to it. Doc Rivers hasn’t been able to explain it with any luck, it’s just been a consistent aspect of this team for better or (mostly worse), as the C’s have finished in the bottom-fifth of the league in turnover percentage over each of the past five seasons.

As the Celtics headed into this series with Atlanta, the turnover battle unsurprisingly was a bit of a concern against the Hawks. Boston had, as expected, averaged 14.8 turnovers per game in the regular season, and turned the ball over on a whopping 14.7 percent of their possessions, good for just 25th overall in the league.

The Hawks meanwhile entered the series as a team that had excelled at forcing turnovers in the regular season, using their athleticism and gritty defense to force teams to cough it up on 14.4 percent of their possessions, making them a top-6 NBA team in that department.

Putting these two factors into play coming into this series, you had a recipe for disaster potentially for the C’s, as they we were one of the worst teams handling the ball, going up against one of the best teams at exploiting that issue.

As a whole, Atlanta has played tremendous defense for the majority of the first three games in this best-of-seven affair, holding Boston under 83 points in regulation through three games before the C’s offense erupted in Game 4.

Despite the offensive woes, there’s been one hidden positive throughout these first four games for the C’s: Turnovers have not been a major issue all series for Boston. In fact, against all odds, the Celts’ are winning the turnover battle with Atlanta.

Compared to their regular season number (where Boston averaged 15 turnovers per game), during four games against Atlanta so far, the C’s have averaged just 12.5 miscues a contest. Now, that number can be somewhat misleading given the slower pace teams play at in the postseason, but here’s a number which is not. Boston has turned the ball over on just 12.7 of their possessions so far, a substantial drop from their regular season mark of 14.7. That 12.7 number would have placed them among the league’s elite (2nd place) over a full 66-game season in protecting the ball.

It is a small sample size, but for a team that has languished in the basement of the league in turnover percentage for nearly five years now, that’s nothing to sneeze at, especially in the postseason against a team in Atlanta with a good track record of forcing the issue defensively. So how have the Celtics’ fared so well in this department? Well, it starts with one guy generally…..the point guard. I asked Rajon about it after Game 4:

“It starts with me. I have the ball in my hands a lot and Paul (Pierce) and I communicate a lot throughout the came saying that we need to take care of the ball. So that’s what we have been focused on in this playoff series, taking care of the ball and all five guys crashing the glass,” Rondo said.

We’ll talk about that crashing the glass stuff later today (another pleasant surprise) but it is refreshing to see that emphasis from the team’s floor general on handling the ball with care, something he has struggled with a lot this year. Despite the Game 3 hiccup (6 turnovers) for Rondo, the point guard has been tremendous with the ball in his hands this series. The great news though? Rondo isn’t alone. For some perspective, let’s look at individual turnover percentages for this team in the regular season first:

Rondo 22.8
Steimsma 19.2
Dooling 16.1
Daniels 15.5
Bradley 14.7
Pierce 14.2
Allen 11.2
Garnett 11.1
Pietrus 10.4
Bass 8.5

That’s a lot of big numbers. It’s easy to see Rondo has been the biggest culprit, but there were still plenty of equal opportunity offenders heading into the postseason. Now let’s look at the top offenders this postseason:

Daniels 22.5
Steimsma 20
Pierce 15.2
Rondo 12.7
Garnett 8.6
Pietrus 7.6
Bradley 7.3
Bass 5.6
Allen 4.3
Dooling 0

Notice a bit of a difference there? Look at all those single digits! Outside of a slight uptick from Pierce (understandable, given how much he has handled the ball) and an outlier (Daniels) everyone has shaved multiple percentage points of their averages. Avery Bradley cut his number in half! Keyon Dooling doesn’t even have a turnover! The Celtics should be very excited about this and you should be too!

Why exactly is this especially encouraging? Well, the C’s as a team have a history of doing this during successful postseason runs. And by this, I mean cutting down their turnover numbers quite impressively. Let’s start with the 2008 title team.

In the regular season that roster, turned the ball over 14.7 percent of the team. In the postseason? Just 12.9 percent of the time.

Fast forward to the 2009-2010 season and you see a similar pattern. Once again, Boston coughed up the ball 14.5 percent of the time in the regular season. In the postseason? They cut that number down to 13.8 percent.

All of this speaks to this team’s ability to tighten the screws when the stakes are raised. Rondo spoke to that a little bit in his earlier quote, but Kevin Garnett put it candidly after Game 4:

“Sometimes man, individually we kind of get a little dysfunctional at times, but tonight everyone was very communicative in what we were talking about. Guys were giving tips. I don’t like bringing up some of the past, but it was similar to some of the things we’ve done in the past. Obviously this is a new group, new guys, deeper. There was a lot of dialogue today…..guys were focused in, you could feel it.”

The turnover issue isn’t a one-way street however. Just as Boston has been protecting the ball well, they are making Atlanta, an above-average team at handling the ball in the regular season (12th) cough it up quite a bit. The Hawks are averaging 15 miscues a game over the first four game in this series, up a turnover per game from their pre-postseason mark. Larry Drew spoke on his team not being ready for that kind of increased pressure from Boston after Game 4:

“It’s a playoff game. There’s no reason why you shouldn’t be jacked up to play. The fact that we did not respond to their aggressiveness, it just totally took us out of our game. We didn’t respond to it all. We didn’t have the zap, we didn’t have the speed. We were doing everything at about 60 percent. This is the playoffs. How can you not have it?”

It’s a fair question Larry. Unfortunately, your boys are running out of time to find “it.” Meanwhile, while Boston has not played particularly well for the majority of the series, they are stepping it up where they have to, kicking it up an extra gear. And with a wide-open road to the Eastern Conference Finals looming, their timing couldn’t be better.

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Brian Robb

Brian Robb co-founded CelticsHub in 2009 and is the currently editor-in-chief. He is a producer and reporter at 98.5 The Sports Hub in Boston and also contributes to Boston.com and Bleacher Report among other outlets.
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  • The Cardinal

    Good post. There are also a couple of other great trends that started after the All Star break and are continuing into the playoffs: 1) a consistent advantage in the number of blocked shots over our opponents; and 2), our rebounding has picked up to where we out rebound the opponent more often than not. Life is good for the C's, and I'm optimistic it will continue to get better.

  • High Rollers

    Any post about turnovers being down is a good post!

    One thought…

    Everybody (including KG) assumes that a high turnover rate indicates a lack of focus, a certain degree of dysfunctionality. That sort of is what it is. But…. maybe it's bigger than that–especially when you consider who the main (regular season) offender is.

    One thing I never forget about Rondo is that he's a visionary, at least on the basketball court. Visionaries often seem erratic, unfocused, unpredictable. But once you can look at them in retrospect, you can see their vision and results and conclude they were more than just erratic, unfocused, unpredictable. They get ahead of the game… just like Bob Dylan preached.

    If you can stomach the wild ride, then you can reap the rewards once it all comes together!

    (Right, KG?)

  • zach

    To some extent the turnovers are a function of running an offensive system that includes ball movement vs one-on-one, so they are to be expected. One on one teams have few assists and few turnovers. But I have also noticed that as their team speed increased (with AB and Bass inserted as starters) their turnovers went down.

    • High Rollers

      Speeding things up has definitely cut down on shot-clock turnovers. In the first couple of games against Atlanta, I think we were rushing a little too much though. The pace since then has settled into a good place. (Although I hope Paul doesn't settle into a jack-up-quick-threes-because-they-all-seem-to-go-in place.)

  • rajon's headband

    another part about pierce's high turnover rate is that he had 8 in game 2 (because he had to do everything so im fine with that) but if he has his regular number then his percentage probably drops a lot

  • janos

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  • skeeds

    Well, it goes without saying that a focused Rondo is a whole different animal than a disengaged, bored, regular season Wednesday night game Rondo. And when he decides to be more engaged, everyone makes less mistakes. Ray, Bass, KG, aren't likely to turn the ball over when they catch it in the right spot. And Rondo's good at that. Crazy good.

    I'm loving the all around great focus the team has showed lately. Especially the bench. Dooling, Quisy, Sasha have that look, the "I know what I'm here to do" look. Pietrus remains a minor disappointment with his scoring, but he too handled his main responsibility (staying glued to Joe Johnson) with success.

    If all goes well, this (hopefully) last game against the Hawks and the upcoming series against probably the 76ers, will give Doc the chance to finetune, to the point where the team works perfectly. Then, we really have a chance against the Heat.

    • guest

      in your fucking dreams

      • CelticsBIG3

        In reference to what? This being the last game against the Hawks? Us playing the Sixers next? Us beating Miami? All of it?

      • Robert

        You couldn't even man up enough to pick a unique username to back up your comment.

        • CelticsBIG3

          Probably that dude "Corey Hawks" who was telling all of us his team was going to sweep us after game 1

  • Jman

    It's more tha just turnovers and rebounding though that needs to be fine tuned. Rebounding against the
    Heat is easy for us since they have no bigs However turnovers will need to be worked on as you said.
    The big issue for this team is to out-smart their opponents and work your offense in the paint. This team's major issue is jump shooting. It's true they're a fantastic Jump shooting team, but if their game is off for the night, then they're screwed(Game 1 & 2). They have the greatest PF of all-time playing center and is shooting the damn ball 80% of the time..lol He's 7ft tall and can dominate the paint if he wanted to. James and Wade attack the paint constantly and that's why they end up shooting 10+ FT's a night a piece. We shoot 10 FT's a night as a team tops…lol

  • zach

    Can't say enough about what a unique talent Rondo is. For a point guard who can neither take it to the rim and finish over people (ala KJ, , Wall, Westbrook, etc.) or shoot from the outside (Nash, CP3, Stockton, etc.) he is an amazingly effective player. He has a very unique set of athletic gifts (crazy speed but pedestrian "ups").

  • Jman

    Forgot to mention Pierce Rondo and Bradley need to attack as well…lol And Bass needs to pass the damn ball..The guy always has 3 defenders on him and he still tries to jam it in…lmao