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Game 2: Celtics at Heat: Open Thread

 

I’m sure you’ve heard of this game that people love to play during the NBA playoff season. It’s called… “You know (blank) isn’t going to (blank) again.”

Here are some examples:

  • You know James Jones isn’t going to drop 25 points again.
  • You know Kevin Garnett isn’t going to score 6 points on 3-9 shooting again.
  • You know Rajon Rondo isn’t playing only 8 minutes in the first half.
  • You probably know that Ray Allen isn’t going to shoot lights-out against Dwyane Wade again, although he might.
  • And you don’t know this, but after making a few questionable calls against the Celtics in Game 1, maybe you can assume that the referees are going to favor the road team tonight.

Feel free to add your own, but I keep playing this game over and over in my head, and guess what? The Celtics end up winning Game 2 almost every time!

Seriously though, the Celtics have a knack for responding in big games, and Game 2 certainly qualifies as such. Is it a “must-win” game? Probably not, because I’m not sure how “tough” the Heat will be once they’re playing in front of the Boston crowd. But if the Celtics really are a championship team, tonight is the night they need to prove it.

Some things to consider:

KG and Rondo: Have to play better. Simple as that. With Rondo getting into early foul trouble, KG didn’t get enough touches early on, and he never found a comfortable rhythm on offense. The Celtics were left with Pierce and Allen going up against two of the best one-on-one defenders (when they put their minds to it) in the league. It will be difficult for Pierce and Allen to sustain that output throughout the series, so KG and Rondo need to carry more of the scoring load.

Somebody please just stay on James Jones: Despite Wade’s monster game, the combined numbers for James-Wade-Bosh were 67 points on 25-50 FG. Pretty much what you would expect. If Jones’ doesn’t shoot 5-7 from downtown and 10-10 FT’s, then the Celtics probably win the game. Of course, you give Jones credit for knocking down those shots, but how hard is it to guard a guy who never comes within 18 ft. of the basket?

Keep it close: The Celtics were able to cut into Miami’s lead during the 2nd half, but the closest they ever got was 7 points. Crunch-time execution is one of Boston’s greatest strengths, but it has been a struggle for the Heat all season long. Don’t give Miami the luxury of playing with a comfortable lead and never having to battle down-the-stretch.  

  • Batman

    Celtics!

  • Ray Ray for 3

    Lets do This!!

  • MikeD

    C's by 13

    • Zee

      I'll up you 10. :-)

  • someguyinsac

    “You know the Celtics aren't going to lose again.”

    There, made my own and I'm sticking to it.

    • Celticsfan

      Well, they did. Now they've gotten themselves into a deep hole.

  • Lakershater13

    Final score Boston 111 Miami 92.

  • I_Love_Green

    Please, for the love of the basketball Gods. WIN THIS GAME CELTICS!!

    Rondo with the triple double, and KG with the double double. C's got dis.

  • kricky

    RR goes off tonight with a 3D like he did in NYC!

  • Guest

    Over/under on technicals tonight. 2

  • pam

    refs not on the same game plan as you. bogus call on jo that should have been a charge. baby got hacked by lebron but that will never be called

  • Batman

    LOL LIKE A BOSH

  • Batman

    Pierce has a foot strain…..

    • Batman

      But likely to return

  • Batman

    Green is doing work?

  • pam

    cmon jeff. stay aggressive. thats what we need with paul out

  • Guest

    Welcome to the Celtics, Jeff Green.

  • talesofJP

    I like Jeff Green so far, build off of the start, and get PP right

  • Ryan DeGama

    Your commercial break entertainment: Brian's 5-on-5 answers from the mothership: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/news/

  • Batman

    Jeez we r so sloppy with the damn ball
    We r so lucky our passes somehow bounce off of their players

  • Batman

    WAFER!?!?

  • hdavenport

    An all-bench lineup out there right now.

  • talesofJP

    great…PP can't jump…crap

  • pam

    wow thats terrible news abt pierce. he cant jump?? jeff green we really really need you

    • zebulon

      Jeff Green, we need you to do a serviceable job defending LeBron

  • rondeezy

    damn pierce was playing well. now were stuck with wafer. hope the injuries not serious…

  • I_Bleed_Green

    Jeff green will win this game for us

  • Ryan DeGama

    What the hell just happened with the bench?

  • hdavenport

    The Heat have their entire Big 3 in right now and we still have five reserves out there. Just baffling.

  • Batman

    The big boys r back!

  • Rachel

    what's the deal with Pierce? is he injured badly?

  • Ryan DeGama

    Celtics having a ton of trouble finishing at the rim against this Miami defense. Second game in a row.

    • stephen

      Maybe they should try slamming the ball rather then laying it in.

  • pam

    we need to run more plays for ray ray. although they are really sticking on his ass. that means we need better picks. cmon baby!!

  • stephen

    Got a feeling we are going to see big minutes from Jeff Green tonight.

  • Batman

    We need to finish….but Jermaine is looking good

  • Batman

    Jeeeeez

  • I_Bleed_Green

    Lol rondo

  • pam

    wow. shooting letting us down. offensive rebounds keeping us in the game????

  • Guest

    I never thought I'd ever be able to say that the C's are killing it on the boards.

  • hdavenport

    FACT: Jermaine O'Neal currently has his third-highest rebounding total of the season.

    • hdavenport

      QUALIFICATION: A bunch of those are off his own missed layups.

  • I_Bleed_Green

    Celtics playing like crap and still leading…amazing

  • stephen

    Our bench has outplayed our starters. Minus BBD of course.

  • Ryan DeGama

    Gone away from KG too much.

  • pam

    wade is incredible. and that was a terrible touch foul by garnett

  • Mike

    Pierce and rondo should just stay on the bench. They're dragging the team down right now….

    • stephen

      Agreed, more Jeff Green in the 2nd half. Plus you may as well play Delonte more as well. Rondo looks like he's not even hustling on defense. Let's also go to KG and Ray more.

  • I_BLEED_GREEN

    Rondo's biggest contribution in the first half is the flop

    • Guest

      I think that's ridiculous that they didn't call that last foul in the act of shooting.

      • I_BLEED_GREEN

        Are you kidding me? There is absolutely no contact, he just dived into the defender.

    • Lakershater13

      Agree 100% its a flop but how is it not a shooting foul with a second left in the half. What was he going to do pass it?

      • stephen

        Take a look at who the lead official is.

  • I_Bleed_Green

    Their big three: 36 pts
    Our big three: 14 pts

  • Help Me

    I hate to say it, but we're just being overpowered by the heat. Its sad to watch, but I don't see how we win more than 1 game this series.

  • pam

    looking at wade, i wish we had a good iso scorer for when the ball gets static like it was end of the 2nd quarter. with the lineup right now, only rondo (J) and possibly kg can get their own shot. ray needs a screen, pp is injured and jo is jo

  • I_Love_Green

    This is bad…

  • BRADinLA

    Celtics are playing like crap. Pierce and Rondo arguing with each other instead of listening to Doc with their teammates in the huddle. Starting to look like the NY sweep had more to do with the Knicks sucking than the C's being juggernauts. Dammit.

  • BRADinLA

    We need Shaq badly, but it really looks like this team is falling apart and has completely lost Ubuntu.

    • celticsfan

      Ubuntu?

    • zebulon

      I think we've lost all our athleticism, not Ubuntu. Our offense has been working well, the ball's been poppin, people aren't isolating or shooting out of rhythm. The Heat defense is just working like a machine, and they're too athletic for Paul or Ray to get the separation they need to get shots up.

  • I_BLEED_GREEN

    I really hate the fact that the C's chance of winning completely lies in the hands of Rajon Rondo who randomly chooses when he wants to show up.

  • I_BLEED_GREEN

    "You know Kevin Garnett isn’t going to score 6 points on 3-9 shooting again."
    Oh well maybe he will…

  • BRADinLA

    This ain't the same Rondo as last year when he carving up defenses and hustling for every loose ball.

    • I_BLEED_GREEN

      Perhaps he's trying to prove that the Celtics cannot win without Perkins?

  • stephen

    If Rondo doesn't pull his head out of his ass Doc needs to yank him early in the 2nd half. I agree with @ I_Bleed_Green —Your correct –Not a comforting thought is it.

  • Ryan DeGama

    No matter what happens tonight, it's good there are three days off before game three. Rondo, Pierce and Shaq can all use them.

  • hdavenport

    They're going to KG! DeGama's getting a thank-you call after this game.

  • stephen

    Limit the turnovers and we can win this game. Got to get Ray more touches here.

  • X-RIP-x

    What's up with Rondo?! He does understand this is a round 2 playoff game and not some random backyard ballgame, you can act like a bitch and not talk to your teamates?!

    • hdavenport

      Does he look like a bitch?!?!?

      • I_Bleed_Green

        Yes

        • rachel

          Agreed

      • Mike

        (whiny voice) Whhatt?

  • Mike

    c'mon BOSTON!

  • Guest

    UNBELIEVE! HOW DID THEY NOT CALL A CHARGE ON LEBRON WHEN HE SLAMMED INTO RONDO, BUT THEN THEY CALL A WEAK FOUL ON ALLEN THE OTHER WAY! GIVE ME A BREAK!

  • pam

    cmon kev. you're hot just shot the damn ball. stop trying cross court passes!!

  • stephen

    Like I just said– Stop doing what the C's just did on the last 2 posessions and we can win this damn game.

  • Ryan DeGama

    Did you guys hear that howl from Green after the foul? He's red blooded after all.

  • Mike

    We better win that last quarter…

  • Rob

    Whats that old saying? Oh yeah championship teams close out quarters the right way…. well we just fucked that one up big time

  • I_BLEED_GREEN

    Oh Lebron is getting hot…

  • BRADinLA

    Yea, I heard that too Ryan, thought the same thing. Maybe KG's starting to rub off on him. Too bad he fumbled that final possession. Looks like the C's are gonna let this one slip away if LeBron keeps being aggressive.

  • BRADinLA

    We really need a significant big man in the middle. JO just ain't enough. We played so well with Shaq because he's such a giant and takes up so much of the paint. Miami would still be shooting well from outside but at least the post would be well defended.

  • stephen

    We win this game on defense. It's the only way–we are still to iffy on the other end. When is the last time Ray took a shot?

  • Far East Man

    it almost seems that miami scores on every possession. and when they don't celts can't capitalize! jeez! someone get hot pls!!

  • pam

    im getting pissed now. how is that not a foul on baby? no respect.

  • Mike

    Here come the star calls….

  • hdavenport

    So happy that Glen Davis is using all these possessions.

  • I_BLEED_GREEN

    Why is big baby taking every shot in the 4th quarter?

    • stephen

      Exactly —- BBD shooting on 3 straight posessions—Well —-We are down 0-2. Looks like our work is cut out for us.

  • BRADinLA

    This game is over man. We're done.

    • Mike

      Seems like it unfortunately…

  • Chris O

    Why is Big Baby on the Court and Jermaine on the effin bench, is Doc fuckin retarded, why is Baby shooting, and o now Joel Anthony keeps it alive over our fat, midget, baby Center EFFIN YAY!

  • GREENMAN

    Why all the lackluster fouls on James/Wade Dunks? Either let them dunk or get your moneys worth. Like James Jones did in Game 1.

  • WTF

    The legs are not getting younger, the run is over, the Cs are done. Doc Rivers is clueless, leave Green on the floor, for god's sake. He's done a very good job on both ends and you need his production.

  • pam

    why are we even watching this damn league. asshole refs calling superstar calls.

    • I_Bleed_Green

      His game has nothing to do with the refs. Get a clue.

    • Janos

      Because pam wnba have girl in it.

  • Janos

    Is so many posts! Time for make better end to game less i spit out my salami. As is good salami. Eight dollar for pound.

  • Far East Man

    Where on earth is JO?!?!?! Man, rivers is a stubborn jackass keeping fat baby on the floor! goddammit!!

  • hdavenport

    16 minutes for O'Neal at +2, 24 for Davis at -7.

    • hdavenport

      Sorry, that should have been -9 (now 10).

    • Chris O

      That's why I had my rant up above, Jermaine was actually PLAYING WELL and Doc goes with Big BABY (note the name) who hogs possession and does nothing right….great!

  • Janos

    Celtic chants for game three better get lebron off game. Anyone going? Make them real mean like youre sidekick, we prefer kg or classic one your mother blow our bench player.

  • Far East Man

    the so-called experts are gonna have a field day with this. shit.

  • WTF

    and where the hell is JO? Why do you play the ineffective fat boy instead of an shot blocker?

  • Mike

    Lots of whisky for me tonight……pffffffffffff

  • I_Love_Green

    Its over. Fuck this series. Fuck these refs. Fuck this team. Fuck the NBA.

    FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Tom

      By the way stop giving yourself thumbs up on every post.

      • I_Love_Green

        By the way it does it by itself.

        • Batman

          lol

        • Tom

          Ahaha. Right.

          • I_Love_Green

            but it does…

  • kricky

    Not one of our guys can consistently score inside. You'd think they have Dwight fucking Howard and Serge Ibaka playing for them.

  • pam

    they are on a 14-0 run in the 4th quarter. thats as much on doc as it is on the players

    • Mike

      Doc is clueless. The ''brains'' went to chicago.

  • rachel

    i hate lebron and his stupid duck feet.

  • stephen

    As pissed off as I am right now, the Heat still has to beat us at home. They haven't been in a super tight game going down the stretch yet. If the Heat win game 3 — then OK—TIME TO PANIC

    • pam

      with literally everyone on our team injured this game (rondo, ray, pp) what chance do we have??

      • stephen

        @Pam—We have three full days of rest before the next game. KG, Ray, and PP are grizzled veterans. I guarantee we win game 3. We were a step too slow on our defensive rotations again tonight–Just like in game1. We need Shaq back now. The C's offense is way better with him on the court. He spreads the floor wereas Jermaine O is worthless to us on that end of the floor. This can be done. If we limit our turnovers at home—we'll see if Miami can handle the Heat—No pun intended.

  • GREENMAN

    Im not saying this series wouldnt be 2-0 Miami if we still had PERK, but GD is Krstic and JG worthless or what? Is this not the reason Danny made this trade? To match up with Miami?

    On another note, its the same crappy officials year after year. Why cant we have Tryouts before the season. Turn it into a reality show and make some money off of it. Something has to be done to improve the quality of officials. Dick Bavetta is starting to look like the guy who drank from the wrong cup at the end of The Last Crusade.

    • Mike

      Maybe DA made the trade scared that he might go to the heat in the offseason. I don't know. Right right now no point in talking about it.
      I thought the refs were just fine today. who knows if they were the ones in game 1… again pointless to talk about it.

    • Chris O

      Haha Greenman awesome post. Seriously they have the worst officials in any sport yet I can name almost all of them (bavetta, salvatore, crawford, et cetera) and tell you HOW they call games. Its a joke. Do we have Bennett at home? I'm sure we do the NBA always gives us him at home since he is the best 'away' ref ever

  • Mike

    CP3 for Rondo, big baby and whoever it takes. Quickly as soon as this is done.

    • I_BLEED_GREEN

      i don't think CP3 is possible, but there are so many young point guards i will take over Rondo: Jrue Holiday, Lou Williams, James Harden, Darren Collision, Eric Gordon…and Mike Conley for crying out loud.

      • Mike

        Its gotta be possible, those guys are good but rondo is still much better point guard than them, Chris Paul would automatically make the team better.

  • cajungirl

    the Celtics are really sucking right now. damn guys you let Miami get you again.

  • rondeezy

    the fuck is wrong with celtic fans? i used to come on this site and read comments about how positives, even if they lost, some bullshit of how the other team cheated in some way, and how theyre going to come back and win the next game. now all i fucking read are comments about how danny ainge is a bitch, doc is stupid, rondo sucks, the big 3 is way too old, everyone else on the team sucks, and how they have no hope of winning at all. seriously the fuck happened to you people?

    • WTF

      Open your fucking eyes and look for yourself. The Celtics are done, period. People are just speaking about the fucking obvious fact.

      • rondeezy

        did anyone think the celtics had a chance last year? wtf, no one thought they were even going to make it past the second round but everyone still rooted for them here, instead of all this negative bullshit. wtf is being a fan about when you dont even root for your team when theyre struggling. last year all the real celtic fans were here. this year all the bandwagons that carried over from last year are here like yourself and whine and bitch about everything that doesnt go right and have no respect for these guys

        • Chris O

          Yes I thought the Celtics had a chance last year. More so than this year. And I'm not saying the season is over but you gotta understand. The C's did a mini-blow up the team mid season to get better and they got a lot worse. Danny played the, "i'm working on the present and future" card but actually it may not help in either. he should have kept Perky and went after Gerald Wallace, I mean seriously was a fuckin worth everything a few years ago (with Garnett trade)but now its not worth what the Blazers paid for Wallace (who would have put us over the top if we still had Perky)….actually it is. Play and plan for this year this year…WTF DA

        • WTF

          You think the basketball god will give us another chance to do things like last year? We are older, slower and have a lots of injuries this time around and ohh, in case you didn't notice, our opponents just got that much stronger and better. Were Cs ever down 0-2 in last few years? Did they ever struggle like in these two games before? Unfortunately for you, the so called real Celtics fan, the obvious is coming to haunt you. What the heck am I talking about? It's coming to haunt me too…

    • Janos

      You r only read what you want. Like when my son date lakers fan he only blinded by big tit.

  • James Patrick

    You people still think home court didn't matter? What a complete disaster.

    • Janos

      Do not lump all people together. That is what they do in Turkey.

  • Zee

    Why did Pierce pass up a 3 and pass it to Rondo to shoot it?

    • Mike

      Yep…. I was thinking the same. It just shows the preparation doc really puts in these things.

  • someguyinsac

    All the Heat did is what they're supposed to do at home, now it's our turn to do the same. And I'm guessing we'll be seeing Shaq on Saturday too.

    • Chris O

      Shaq needs to be the 2nd coming of Jesus….seriously he could swing the series. Thing is I don't know if we can win 4 of the next 5 just cuz we get him back. Had we played a full straight 7 games with Shaq I think we could win 4 of 7

      • someguyinsac

        I'm going with the optimistic path, so yeah we will win the 4 we need to win.

        • stephen

          Agreed,as annoyed as I am right now this is still doable. Miami still has to prove they can win in Boston. And Yes–Shaq on the court makes a difference–he spreads the floor just being out there wereas Jermaine O is a liability. We win the next 2 at home and Miami starts to crumble–guarantee it !!!!

  • Mike

    It was like watching the Spurs. It looks like its doable, but they still kick us in the you know what…

  • Guest

    I'm sick of being optimistic. Every time I'm optimistic optimistic they almost always seem to lose horribly lately. Well I'm done. I really hate to say that but I can't handle another disappointment when I've been waiting for this moment since last summer. See you next year. Maybe next year they can miraculously get Dwight Howard and have a great center so everyone can finally shut the fuck up about Perk.

  • WTF

    We'd be lucky if we don't get swept. Solid picks have to be set to get Ray open for shots, that'll open the whole game up for whatever Rondo wants to do with the ball.

    • James Patrick

      Solid picks or a guy named Perk? lol

      • Chris O

        Solid Picks = Perk so Perk = Solid Picks

      • WTF

        Hey, setting up a good pick does not need a big body or any special skills. LOL.

  • Tom

    Really? 3 straight f-ing shots from Midget ? Riding our season with the stub?

  • I_Love_Green

    Haven't been this down from the Celtics since game 7.

    • Morpheus

      I feel worse, seriously i'm sick of having to watch the Miami Heat play, the sooner this team gets eliminated from the playoffs the better my life will be.

      • WTF

        I actually don't hate them that much because of Wade. Sorry to predict this for you: if the Heat gets past the Cs, they'll go all the way to the Finals. No one can stop them now that Bulls suddenly fall back to the dusty earth. Depends on if the Lakers make the finals, the Heat may win it all.

  • Mike

    Trade everybody. Keep KG and / or Ray, get CP3 and Howard and build. Its the only way forward.

    • Batman

      Ur a joke
      There is no way we r getting either

      • Mike

        Dude calm yourself down. This is my opinion deal with it. Just don't start insulting me. This is the second time, just like you did after the last game.

    • I_BLEED_GREEN

      That might be asking for too much…

  • Batman

    I love you guys.
    "Oh we're so much better than Miami"
    Calm down
    Its looking daunting being down 2-0 but I've been faithful and the Celtics have responded all season

  • James Patrick

    Hopefully we go home and take care of business, ride the momentum into game 5. What the hell happened, we were all tied up at 80. That was painful to watch

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  • I_BLEED_GREEN

    If we win the next two games we're still in this series.

    • Batman

      Yes we do
      If we drop a game at home though I'm calling it quits

    • WTF

      it's a tall order… but let's do it.

  • Jon

    A yankee guy calling a Celtics fan stupid…the irony

    • Batman

      Oh good job connecting the Yankees and the Celtics

  • Morpheus

    We can't beat this team without Shaq. Simple.

  • Morpheus

    Cannot wait for the glorious day i don't have to watch Baby play in green.

    Trade Rondo for CP3, lure Dwight.

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  • Batman

    You need to do a better job of hating on Rondo…..New Orleans won't give CP3 up for anyone, except MAYBE Derrick Rose

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