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But You Can’t Stay Here: C’s 112, Knicks 102

 

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First things first.

Be sure to rewatch for the supportive Paul Pierce standing fist pump. And maybe suppress the urge to whisper “too little, too late” at your computer screen while slowly shaking your head.

Both teams’ stars sat the entire game, or they would have if not for the Knicks’ decision to bring Amare Stoudemire’s knee 20 minutes closer to complete structural failure in a meaningless game. That leaves us with nothing to talk about but the bench players, many of which will probably not see the court for more than 15 more total minutes in a Celtics uniform. We’ll limit the discussion to the things about these players that defied expectations, some good and some bad.

GOOD SURPRISES

  • Avery Bradley revealed that he is pretty okay at basketball, even if he still can’t shoot one all that well. He got to the rim with great frequency and success against the stiff New York interior (stiff like dead, not like difficult to bend) and basically did more in one game than he did in the entire season up to that point. He also had two pretty sweet dunkotrons, one of which is above and the other of which is below (the jump).

Fun stuff. You can se Pierce stand up again, but the first pump is just out of frame. By the way, if “dribbling posture” is a thing, Bradley’s is easily the worst in the league.

It’s not a good use of anyone’s time to speculate as to how the 2010 draft could have gone differently for the Celtics. Yes, in retrospect the C’s should have grabbed a backup for Allen or Pierce instead of Rondo, given that Ainge was seeking out ways to dismantle his team to get a backup 2 or 3 several months later. But if the Celtics had gone for a Jordan Crawford or even a Landry Fields, they wouldn’t have gotten the chances they got with other teams. They would have sat, and we’d potentially be wishing the Celtics had signed that Bradley kid who’s doing so well in New Jersey or wherever.

  • Nenad Krstic has undergone a total philosophy shift since coming to Boston, confining his shot attempts almost exclusively to the rimmed area (even though he’s a better jump shooter than Glen Davis, probably) and wolfing down a passable number of rebounds for his time on the floor. More than he did in OKC, anyway. He had six tonight, three on offense, where he always seems to outrebound the rest of the team. Someone on the coaching staff will eventually intervene to correct that, I’m sure.
  • Sasha Pavlovic can shoot a little, but chose to wait until now to reveal this fact. Tonight’s game should at about one minute to his per-game playoff minutes, doubling his per-game playoff minutes.
  • Glen Davis finally shot over 50 percent and achieved eight rebounds. Haven’t had enough Glen Davis yet? Check back for more in “Bad Surprises”!

BAD SURPRISES

  • Troy Murphy is not the rebounding savior we were hoping for. He’s not really the anything we were hoping for. He grabbed four boards in 27 minutes, and converted a decent percentage of his six shots. He either needs more time than the Celtics are willing to give him to play himself into game shape, or he inexplicably fell off a cliff after last season.
  • Jeff Green is not a very efficient scorer. Whoops! That is not a surprise. He’s never been a superlative jump shooter, and he’s about exactly league average at the rim for his career, which would be okay if he hadn’t been a power forward pretty much the whole time. He’s also a slightly-below-average three-point shooter, which is presumably why the Celtics have him taking about a quarter as many threes per game as he did in OKC, which would make sense if he weren’t actually better from there than he is shooting jumpers from anywhere else. If you give him 13 attempts, like he got tonight, it’s not that crazy to expect he’ll make about six, like he did tonight.

Remember when people were really seriously calling Jeff Green the best player in the Perkins deal? Why, if that was the case, was EVERYONE calling it the Perkins deal?

  • Glen Davis is seemingly done taking shots at the rim for his career. Remember when Glen’s shot selection was the primary concern of all Celtics fans and we posted about it basically every other day? It seems very stupid that we were ever worried about that, given all the other things that would eventually need worrying about. Anyway, the debate is over, and Stretch Davis seems to be around for good. Who knows how to even feel about this, seeing how Glen seems to get blocked two-thirds of the time he goes to the rim anyway.

On that note, now is the time to cleanse your brain of the regular season. It’s playoff time, and it will be the mission of this blog to get you in playoff mode over the next few days. Remember: they call it the second season, but this is the more fun one!

  • dal

    "Why, if that was the case, was EVERYONE calling it the Perkins deal?"

    Probably because Perk is a champion, an embodiment of Celtic culture, one of the best post defenders in the league, previously dubbed as "can't-be-traded" and probably, the most famous player in the trade. He also had the most sentimental attachment to his team. So it's like you moved something that you never thought could be moved. No one in OKC feels quite the same about Green or Krstic.

    Jeff Green was the forgotten player of OKC. It was Durant and Westbrook and their supporting cast. For the Celtics, it was the Big Three and Rondo but everyone knew who started alongside those four. That comes with prolonged postseason exposure and matching up with the Dwight Howards and Pau Gasols of the world. Green never had marquee matchups to his name.

    The best player in this trade is something we can all argue about but that can only be definitively decided on once both players retire. Right now, you're comparing a hard-nosed offensively limited but defensively brilliant center with a do-it-all forward.

    BTW, BBD has improved his shooting close to the rim. He doesn't get blocked as often anymore.

    • dslack

      I basically agree with your post, but Hayes has a point.

      Pau Gasol was traded in "the Pau Gasol trade," not "the Kwame Brown trade."
      Ray Allen was traded in "the Ray Allen trade," not "the Jeff Green trade."
      KG was traded in "the Kevin Garnett trade," not "the Al Jefferson trade."

      Trades are not consistently named after the player coming in or the one going out. They are consistently named after the best player in the deal.

      • dal

        or possibly the most established, well-known name.

        I still think it is the Perk trade because Perk has a bigger name than Jeff Green. If Perk turns out to be the better player of the two, I concede to your point.

        FWIW, this should have been called the "Nate Robinson Trade"

    • Dan

      I'm not sure you can call Jeff Green "do-it-all". He's more a "kind-of-do-somethings-decent-once-in-a-while".

  • Sauce

    Which is more useful though, a jack of all trades master of none or a master at some or one?

    • Francois H. Pienaar

      Remember behind the "tradition" and "family" and all of that, there is a board of directors with a profit and loss sheets. The sun is setting on the Big 3 and a full scale rebuilding job will start in the next couple of years. The trade made financial sense, period.

      • Tos

        Defend your statement. It’s actually funny when people like you make this argument, because you’re saying this because Perk was in the last year of his contract right? Guess who else is in their last years of their respective contracts? Yup, BOTH Jeff Green and Krstic will be in the free agent pool after this season. At this point are the Celtics planning to resign either one of them? I seriously doubt it. So again, how us this a “future” move? Don’t even cite the draft pick we got which is protected in an already down draft class either.

        • dslack

          Yes exactly. Plus, you know what else is good for the balance sheet? Winning championships. The calculation has to be: "We're so close to winning a championship, how can we maximize our chances of doing so?" In fairness to Ainge, I have not heard him make the argument about concerns beyond this season. He has justified the trade (publicly) in terms of improving the team this year. I really hope that that's what he actually had in mind when he pulled the trigger. Lots of commentators have tried to justify the trade in terms of concerns beyond this year, and I think that those are entirely irrelevant to what Ainge should have been considering.

          • jpbl1976

            Actually, mark cuban had this quantified a while back and a championship only adds about half a million bucks to profits – less than the veteran minimum. It says something that while the knicks were bad for so long, they remain either the most or second-most valuable franchise in the league.

            The point is: pro ball is one of those businesses that have a value beyond pure p&l. In some cases, it's ancillary to other businesses. Other than Donald Sterling, I don't think any of the owners have made a killing by owning basketball teams. The best they can probably look forward to is to flip their stake for more than they got it and get a decent IRR. In some cases, the owners bought their teams because of the associated prestige.

          • Morpheus

            What the FIZZUCK!!! What planet are you from dude. This is the Boston Celtics. Where have you been, under a rock.

            IT'S ALL ABOUT 18. POINT BLANK.

  • Tom

    I am with Sauce. Green is your typical late 90s basketball player where he is just a great athlete with average skills on everything. We have no choice but to stick with him now, but hope we can sign and trade him. Big Baby is back to the "I think I am better than everyone mode", make a pass! I really can't stand him, hope they don't sign him either. Avery Bradley, does he know how to pass the basketball? Outside of the starting 5 and a few others, the rest of the team are useless and selfish. I am going to watch the Big Bad Bruins instead so I can be heartbroken on two teams (I gave up on the Sox after 05). Why do I put myself through this? I am going to jump out the window.

  • OhioGreen

    <div id="idc-comment-msg-div-142816005" class="idc-message"><a class="idc-close" title="Click to Close Message" href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(142816005)"><span>Close Message</span> Comment posted. <p class="idc-nomargin"><a class="idc-share-facebook" target="_new" href="http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcelticshub.com%2F2011%2F04%2F14%2Fbut-you-cant-stay-here-cs-112-knicks-102%2F%23idc-container#IDComment142816005&t=I%20just%20commented%20on%20But%20You%20Can%E2%80%99t%20Stay%20Here%3A%20C%E2%80%99s%20112%2C%20Knicks%20102%20%7C%20Boston%20Celtics%20Basketball%20-%20Celtics%20news%2C%20rumors%20and%20analysis%20-%20CelticsHub.com&quot; style="text-decoration: none;"><span class="idc-share-inner"><span>Share on Facebook</span></span> or <a href="javascript: IDC.ui.close_message(142816005)">Close MessageI remember when the Celtics traded their center, high scoring Easy Ed McCauuley and 2 ex-Kentucky players, Hagan & Tsiropolous and they got Bill Russell back. Trades are that way. The fans were upset about how much was given up, but history proved Red was right on. Danny's move will be scrutinized ad infinitum, but it was a deal that had to be made. In a team game, it's the sum of the parts. That's why Perk will be hard to replace; every player on the team took comfort in the fact that the baddest dude in the room was on their side.

  • kricky

    I'll refrain from commenting on the trade. Everything about it is already known and has been dissected and analyzed. It is what it is. We should stay positive with the playoffs coming up.

    One question: Could we somehow run those offensive sets where Baby ends up taking the jumper for Krstic? He has a pretty nice touch and he'd probably make most of them. Plus it would open up the lane for Rondo and others to drive. Just a thought..

  • SteveB

    "Dribbling posture" by Avery Bradley has puzzled me as well. I'm not sure there is any benefit to doing that and he seems to be in bad position to pass from it. Hopefully he works on that a little. I still hold out hope for him since Boston was so reluctant to trade him away this year. Plus, he has that one thing you can't coach, extreme speed.
    Maybe just playing with no pressure like that shows us what he's capable of but down the road he needs to do it under pressure.
    Here come the playoffs. CAN'T WAIT!!!

  • Syllica

    It was a great thing to see Avery show us his speed and what he could eventually bring to the team. He needs to mature and gain experience. But with a team packed with veterans like ours, it's kind of difficult to even give a full minute of the spotlight to a rookie like him.
    Glad to see he's not only good at fetching the team's peanut butter and jelly sandwiches supply!

    GO CELTICS!!!

  • Morpheus

    Except Artest isn't a point guard.

    • Zee

      Right, but a point about position wasn’t made. We’re talking NBA basketball players. Yet and still there are players in Artest’s position who dribble with great control and posture. Artest dribbles terribly… worst than Avery.

  • Morpheus

    I've always wondered where the hell Bradley learned to protect – "dribbling posture" the ball while dribbling.It's atrocious.

    It's like he's too scared to stick his a$s out in public or something, because that's how you do it.

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