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Around The Interwebs: Reaction To Perk/Green Trade


Here’s a sampling of some of the reactions to the trade with Oklahoma City:

John Hollinger of ESPN (Insider) gives the Celtics a “B” and notes that:

Green and Murphy, if he comes, could also give Boston the option of playing smaller (with Kevin Garnett or Davis at 5) and spacing the floor more, something the Celtics haven’t done much of since James Posey left after their 2008 championship run.

One other point, since everyone is attacking the Celtics over this trade: Perkins has played only 12 games this season and Boston still has the best record in the East; the Celtics also nearly won Game 7 of the Finals in Los Angeles last year without him. Generally speaking, they’ll get by. Additionally, the Celtics needed somebody on the wings to replace the injured Daniels (who was dealt to Sacramento today), meaning that somebody with value had to depart — Perkins was the most logical candidate.

Nonetheless, one suspects if the Celtics still saw the Lakers and Magic as their two prime playoff threats, they wouldn’t have made this deal. The fact the Heat and Spurs have played so well, one suspects, has altered their thinking.

Paul Flannery of WEEI:

Beyond this season, these moves could clear ample cap space for the future. Krstic will be an unrestricted free agent after this season and Green will be restricted. With only Rajon Rondo, Paul Pierce and Avery Bradley under contract beyond the 2012 season, the Celtics could be prime players in the next great free agent class that is likely to include Dwight Howard, among others.

The present is cloudy at best. First and foremost will be restoring calm to a locker room that is among the tightest in the league. Perkins was a major force in that both on the court, and off. Second, is how Rivers intends to use Green who is a versatile forward. With Green and Glen Davis, the Celtics could use a variety of lineups to counter teams like Miami and the new-look Knicks.

Gary Washburn of the Globe focuses in on the contract situation:

Perkins appeared destined for long-term security in Boston until he tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee during Game 6 of the NBA Finals last year. Since then, Ainge has had to ask himself whether it would be economically sound to invest about $10 million per season in a center coming off major knee surgery.

But that’s the market, and that’s what Perkins was going to ask for. He watched Brendan Haywood sign a six-year, $52 million contract with the Mavericks and wondered, why not me? The Lakers’ Andrew Bynum signed a four-year, $57 million extension. Joa kim Noah re-signed in Chicago for five years and $60 million. And Chris Kaman signed a five-year, $52 million contract with the Clippers in 2006.

The Celtics offered Perkins four years and $22 million, but he was looking for about double that. So there was going to be an impasse in the summer, and it’s apparent that Ainge chose to focus on impending free agent Glen Davis and perhaps using the team’s mid-level exception — if it still exists under the new collective bargaining agreement — to attract a new big man.

Peter May of ESPN Boston scores this one a win for the Celtics:

Let’s begin with the article of faith that the team that gets the best player usually makes out the best in the trade. Green is the best player among the four. I can’t imagine any general manager, including Presti, disputing that. Green is 24 years old. He was averaging 15.2 points a game, third on the Thunder behind Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. He started all 49 games he played, averaging 37 minutes per contest.

He’s 6-foot-9 — a long 6-foot-9, which means he easily fills the role as a backup to Paul Pierce. He has 3-point range. He can play the power forward spot, as well, in a smallish lineup. There are reports that he may have fallen out of favor a bit in Oklahoma City, but there was some concern as to whether the Thunder were going to be able to re-sign him, having already committed big-time to Durant and with Westbrook coming up next.

Ian Thomsen of Sports Illustrated writes:

They broke up their championship frontcourt for a variety of reasons — contractual, the perimeter threat of LeBron James and a looming future of rebuilding in the absence of Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen.

By packaging Kendrick Perkins (along with Nate Robinson) for hybrid forward Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic at the deadline Thursday, Boston was retrieving value for Perkins. Their 26-year-old center was going to be an expensive free agent this summer — probably too expensive for the Celtics, who face obligations next season totaling $57 million for Garnett, Allen, Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo.

Kelly Dwyer of Y! Sports’ Ball Don’t Lie blog ain’t impressed:

On an open roster, we don’t know where Jeff Green plays. He’s a poor rebounder, an awful defender at the power-forward slot, and he doesn’t do enough offensively to warrant a look at small forward. And yet, this doesn’t stop him from shooting nearly four 3-pointers a game, despite making only 30 percent of his looks from out there. His shot selection has been an issue since his rookie year, and it’s still hard to tell, exactly, where he fits in this league. Other than a guy that seems to luck into getting big minutes and plenty of shot opportunities.

It’s truly hard to see what Danny Ainge sees in these moves. Perkins has missed most of the year after recovering from surgery on his right knee, and he was going to be out for a spell with a sprained knee, but all indications had him at full strength for the playoffs. In his absence, they’ll have Krstic, almost completely the anti-Kendrick. And then shipping out Robinson just for the chance to lose both Robinson’s and Perkins’ contracts? Losing Harangody (who can play) and Erden (who, uh, has played) for nothing in a win-now year?

Mark Murphy seems dubious over at the Herald:

Maybe Jeff Green is a terrific addition. Maybe Nenad Krstic can score, but Garnett, as historically great a defender as he is, is not as effective without Perkins.

No one is. Perkins is exactly what Oklahoma City needs, one of the strongest interior defenders in the league. It’s the piece general manager Sam Presti has been attempting to add since Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook emerged as one of the best young cores in the NBA.

And we’ll see how this works for the Celts when it’s time for a man-up defender on Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum.

The original idea of bringing in the O’Neals was to add interior depth, not replace it. But Ainge apparently decided that Perkins’ price will be too high.

Ken Berger at CBSSports determines the the move is:

A risk? Absolutely, but one the Celtics had to take. What happens in a new labor agreement is anybody’s guess, but one possibility league general managers were considering Thursday as they wrestled with the risks and rewards of the trade market was an outright contractual bloodbath, sources said. Four months from now, or whenever the lockout ends, the league could be littered with free agents who were key components of playoff or even championship-contending teams. The Celtics got out in front of that risk with Perkins and got some capable pieces in return. They also made themselves a factor in the potentially massive free-agent summer of 2012, when they’ll have only three players under contract — Pierce, Rondo and potentially Avery Bradley.

Green, who Oklahoma City was not going to retain as a restricted free agent — if such a thing still exists — next summer after being unable to negotiate an extension with the 2007 first-round pick, gives Boston some much needed wing help off the bench. Krstic gives Rivers both another body to work into his frontcourt rotation and insurance against the uncertain health of the two O’Neals, Shaq and Jermaine. The first-round pick of 2012 has more value in the eyes of most GMs because of the strong possibility that underclassmen will stay away from the 2011 draft as the league faces a lockout.

Kurt Helin at ProBasketballTalk sums up that risk thusly:

But to trade a core player in the middle of a championship window? That’s a ballsy move. A big risk. If Boston wins it all, Ainge looks genius. He has kept winning and started a transition to the future.

But if they don’t, if the Celtics lose somewhere along the line — especially to a team with great play up front — Ainge is going to hear it. Because most people want to ride that wave all the way into shore.

And to close things – what would a linkfest be without a little Chris Forsberg from ESPN Boston?

The addition of Green is a very intriguing move, especially with eyes toward a Boston bench that has struggled with offensive consistency for much of the past two seasons. Boston gets the much-needed backup that will allow them to ease up on minutes for Ray Allen and Paul Pierce moving forward, while also developing a player that can slide into the starting lineup when Allen’s time in Boston is over.

  • dasein

    trying to rationalise it, but it still feels like i've been kicked in the nuts.
    I just hope Danny is damn sure that Murphy is around the corner. Even then, I don't like it.

  • John V

    I think we all reacted emotionally to losing Perk, and rightly so. He's a great player, a great guy, and really represented the identity of the title-winning team.

    But, if we have to be rational, I think it's true that we didn't and don't need him to win a championship. And, we absolutely needed someone else to play the 3. We couldn't play Pierce 44 minutes a night and expect to win anything. Shaq has actually been great when healthy, Krstic adds a different angle, and hopefully we'll see Murphy soon.

    My problem, even when being coldly analytical, is that we should have been able to get a better 3. We gave up Perk, Robinson, Daniels, Erden, and Harangody. Maybe Danny and Doc are really sold on Green, but I'd rather have had Tayshaun Prince, Battier, maybe Batum from Portland, etc., etc. We'll have to see what Green can do.

    • kricky

      I absolutely agree.

      Also it looks like Cleveland was ready to give us Parker for Marquise and the #1 pick.

      That was apparently too much. But it was OK to give all that up for a guy (Green) who isn't all that much better than Parker.

      Green is a FA anyway (though a restricted one) and could be gone too next year.

  • Sauce

    Perk, you’ll be missed so much.

    You had to leave sometime but to go down in game 7 and to get traded so soon to getting back.

    Good luck in the okc and I’ma watch you from more of a distance now

  • aaron

    def. perk and nate will be missed by fans, and obviously by the team. Quis has tried so hard through a lot, but it seems apparent his career is over physically, really too bad. semi and gody are young enough to be ok wherever. as a cs fan it is tough to do this every year, did the same last year with house.
    danny and doc get big bucks to do what they think is best for the team, business too.
    i guess we just have to shed a tear, root for the home team, and pray like hell.
    go celtics.

  • Zee

    Naturally, the trade hurt on an emotional level. But I actually think we'll be okay.

  • Anthony

    I do think everyone is overreacting a bit. Perk is a perfect fit with the core line-up but he's just a solid player. I think everyone is overrating him simply based on the his long tenure with the team. OKC got the player they need but whose to say that Perk will be that effective a player without KG, Rondo, etc. For OKC, they made the right trade because Krstic and Green were dispensable. It remains to be seen for the Celts but Shaq has played well and Big Baby takes the bulk of the mins at crunch time anyway. Krstic, whether you think he can play or not, is at the very least serviceable for 15-20 mins. And Jermaine, if he's still alive, can log any remaining mins. Green provides great coverage for both KG and especially Pierce. If they go small, how will the Fakers, Orl, etc. be able to match up? Rondo will have a field day.

    I'm not saying it's an amazing trade but I think we all need to give it a chance and see how it plays out. And see who else will be signed. Lastly, Celts did also receive a 2012 first round pick…. maybe they can use that to trade up to get Doc's son Austin. Lol.

  • MDftw

    I think Danny was thinking too much about the future when he made this trade

    The best way for the Cs to win a championship would have been with Perk in tow

    I just hope the rest of the Cs can carry the load


    Whatever happens, lockout and/or hard cap, players with expiring contacts would be able to find out how much is their fair market value. I’m favoring the hard cap due to underperforming but overpriced players. Don’t be surprised at all to see traded players going back to their former teams. That’s not a far fetched idea at all.I do hope though that this Green gamble (pun intended) works out.

  • ElRoz

    The bench is now bigger and can shoot and score better: Delonte and Wafer over Nate; Green over Daniels; Kristic over Erden. That is clear.
    IF Shaq can come back with some health, this wll be an improvement. Tha's a big IF of course…but come playof time there might also be JO…so now it's a smaller IF – one of O'Neals would be good.

  • fyatroll

    Someone smack Peter May upside the head for suggesting Jeff Green is a better player. He isn't, and it isn't particularly close.

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