Post-game Reactions

Admit it: In the 3rd quarter, you felt this game slipping away. You started thinking about the 2-0 deficit, letting it roll around in your head, anticipating it, accepting it and getting ready to watch Game 3 knowing the entire season would be on the line.

It was only 63-61, Los Angeles, but I certainly felt that way around the 6:52 mark of the 3rd quarter. The Lakers had roared back from a 14-point deficit and taken the lead, and given how much a couple of Celtic blunders had aided in that LA comeback, I was worried. You can’t spot a great team like LA five points on botched outlet passes and get away with it. Not on the road, not in the NBA Finals.

But what worried me most was this: Boston had nowhere to go on offense. Ray Allen already had 27 points, but you knew that well was going to dry up. Garnett was on the bench, again, with foul trouble, so going to KG in the high post wasn’t an option. Paul Pierce had very little. Rondo was trying, but he has trouble finishing over the Laker bigs.

The playbook wasn’t working. I kept thinking: How are they going to score enough points to stay within striking distance?

I still don’t how Boston hung in during that 3rd quarter, when they just had nothing. And I know that LA helped, with turnovers and bad shot selection, as the team’s offense crumbled with Kobe Bryant on the bench for the last 6:18 of the quarter. And the 4th quarter was so dramatic, with so many big plays, that people will focus on that when they talk about this game.

But for me, the back half of that 3rd quarter stands out as a living example of what people mean when they use the (admittedly over-used) cliché that “championship teams find a way.”

Just look at some of these baskets:

(7:43, 3rd): Rajon Rondo makes a three-pointer. The shot clock is running down, and Pierce, trying to create something, drives and throws a wild kick-out to Rondo on the right wing. Rajon, who shot 21 percent from three this season, somehow nails this one. It is a nice prelude to the jumper he’ll hit later to give Boston a 95-90 lead with about a minute to go, perhaps the biggest jumper of his life. (61-59, Boston)

(6:07): Pierce, stymied as a driver and cold from outside, sneaks to an open spot under the hoop, takes a nice high-low from Sheed, and lays the ball in. (63-63)

(5:09): Repeat, only Pierce misses the initial lay-up and hits the put-back. And in a 58-second span, Paul Pierce makes his only baskets of the night. And they were huge, huge baskets. (66-65, LA)

(4:39): Ray Allen makes his record-setting 8th three-pointer, and it’s a nice representation of what I’m getting at here. Rondo snared a defense rebound and pushed hard in transition, trying to make something happen. He drew the defense and dished to Davis under the rim. And as so often happens with Big Baby, an opposing big (Gasol) stuffed him on a lay-up try. But Davis fought to recover the ball and kicked out to Ray for a scramble three. (68-66, Boston).

(3:03): Maybe my favorite play of the whole game, and the slowest-ever example of transition points. Pierce darts down and steals the ball from Gasol in the post and takes it coast-to-coast the other way. Except “coast-to-coast” in this case means that Pierce zigs and zags his way up the court, changing directions at least three times, as everyone jogs back in a very casual transition scene. This does not resemble a fast-break in any way, except that by pushing forward all the time, Pierce prevents the defense from getting set.

As he reaches the three-point line, Pierce changes direction one last time, zagging left and past Shannon Brown. A Laker big comes over to help, and Pierce dishes to Davis for a bucket, plus the foul on Gasol. (70-68, Boston)

This is pure improvisational basketball. By this point, the Celtics’ set offense has fallen apart completely. There is no playbook, no screen/rolls with KG, no curl plays for Ray Allen. The Celtics are a ragged bunch, taking anything they can get.

(2:26): Another example. Rondo weasels his way into the lane and launches a floater with 8 on the shot clock. It misses, but Rondo grabs the offensive board, makes a couple of his fancy behind-the-back fakes and finally wraps a pass to Sheed along the left baseline.

And Sheed takes a horrible shot, with a more or less fresh shot clock. Maybe horrible is a bit much, since he banked it in and the play-by-play has it listed as a 13-footer and not a 20-footer. But at the time I wanted him to reset instead of taking a rushed shot against a decent contest.

But it was as if Sheed understood in that moment that, Hey, we’re struggling here, and this may be the best we can do, so I’m just launching. It went in. (72-70, Boston).

And that’s it for Boston’s scoring in the 3rd. This was far from spectacular offense. Starting with that Rondo three at the 7:43 mark, Boston was just 6-of-19 from the floor to end the 3rd quarter. They did not make a single foul shot in that stretch. But notice that number of attempts—19. That’s a lot for a 7:43 span, and they managed that many because Boston grabbed four offensive boards—two from Rondo and one each from Davis and Pierce.

They also did enough defensively to avoid falling apart, despite the fact that LA attempted 8 free throws in the last 7:43 of the 3rd. (And, by the way, LA earned those 41 foul shots tonight. There were a few dicey calls, both ways, with one really bad call on Davis when he blocked Bynum cleanly. But other than that, Boston fouled because LA’s size forced them to). Other than those 8 foul shots, LA turned it over three times and hit just 2-of-6 from the field over the last 7:30 of the quarter.

Again: I don’t mean to over-emphasize this stretch of the 3rd quarter at the expense of all the huge plays in the 4th quarter—Nate Robinson’s play, Rondo’s block on Fisher, a quiet series of points from Perk, etc. But to me, the end of the 3rd quarter epitomizes what championship teams do when things are falling apart around them—they find a way to score enough points and keep themselves alive, so that they can win when the offense rights itself.

It was ugly, but that’s what Boston managed to do. And so we head back to Boston 1-1. Wow.

* Apologies for the lack of video. For some reason, my DVR stopped recording in the 2nd quarter. I’d like to blame Time-Warner, one of the holy trinity of companies all New Yorkers hate, but I think I probably landed on wrong button on the remote at some point when I was jumping around on the couch.

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  • BunkerHillG

    Jerry Callahan is reporting on weei that KG had something wrong with his shoulder. Anyone else see this?

  • urbeltic

    Although you can use the cliche that championship teams just find a way, I think you can also say that non-championship teams just find a way to be second place. I mean, the Lakes seemed to be in position to take advantage and blow this thing up on several occasions….but they just couldn’t execute. I think more than anything the Lakes lost this game, not that the C’s won it.

    And by the way, I love watching Artest. He really is the weirdest player I’ve ever seen. Just weird, plain and simple. That play at the end when he was dribbling around all confused, the clock ticking, up by 3 (I think)… it was just awesome. I think Artest might be in a little over his head right now.

  • JMM

    On TV they showed KG massaging his shoulder, I think his right shoulder, on the bench during the 4th quarter.

  • NHBluesMan

    @ urbeltic… i was expecting Artest to melt down at some point in the play-offs, the stage is bigger than anything he’s ever experienced.

    Granted, he’s done a good job of locking down Pierce, but that doesn’t help when he goes 1 for 10 from the field

  • Kev

    Sheldon Williams played terrible, he was the sole reason why LA closed out the half the way they did.

  • Korey

    @pilgrim (from last thread)

    I’m just saying you are being overly disrespectful to one of our key players.

    It’s fine if you want to do that, but how many times are you going to say “Derek Fisher cant hit that….oh wait!”. The man has done it for years now. Dont hate.
    Derek Fisher not playing well is the anomaly for us not some type of harbinger for all future games.

    I could easily say “Rondo will never hit a jumper again”, or “KG will stay sucky”, but we all know its not true.There’s a lot of “anomalies” game to game, so I just hate it when the postgame analysis is “your team had all this fake stuff happen…”.

    You have every right to say what you want on this blog. But when you say something outlandish like Fisher is going to always play bad, I’m calling you on it. That’s just dumb, sorry. He has too big of history even *this year*.

    That’s why I said “you know nothing”, because if that really is your analysis of this game, then what else am I suppose to conclude?

    Fisher will play well half the time at minimum, just like Rondo will hit his jumpshots half the time.

  • sonicreducer

    Well speaking of over his head, I didn’t expect Williams to do anything other than what he did. He does have a good amount of big stage experience but that was at Duke and not against anyone nearly as good as the Lakers. I think he’s better then he played last night but here’s hoping the bigs can stay out of foul trouble and he stays on the bench for the rest of the series.

  • Coolin

    Sheldin Williams looked like he had never seen a basketball before and hopefully will not see the court again this postseason.

    Paul Pierce played bad on offense and good on defense. With that said when he is on the court the Celtics are the best team/confident and when he is off the court the Celtics lack a toughness/confidence. With that said, he is the heart and soul of this team with his demeanor on the court.

  • Perry


    Really insightful post. I was thinking along the same line, until Kobe picked up his 4th foul — induced by Rondo. Rondo said that he was able to make that steal because Kobe was dribbling high. The foul itself was debatable, but who’s complaining after the obvious free throw discrepancy?

    That steal started the sequence where Pierce managed two consecutive lay ups at the cuff. The reason? Shannon Brown was guarding Rondo, and Artest cheated off Pierce. All night long the Celts were finding cutters, which may explain why LA recorded so many blocked shots. But I felt Artest started to come apart at that juncture — ultimately becoming the goat of game 2.

    So here’s my early take on tomorrow night. I’m not sure about Kevin’s shoulder, but I do know that Gasol started to unravel in the waning moments of the 4th quarter. Bymun’s knee is probably feeling 20lbs heavier after a 6 hour flight. Artest looks like he may pull a Vince Carter in this series; Fisher has no offensive rhythm thanks to Ray Allen, and as we all know Odom comes and goes. I see a cohesion problem for LA, and I would not be surprised if Jackson instructed Kobe to take 30+ shots and take matters into his own hands. Gasol must be taken out of the paint, and fouled hard if he gets loose because the screen/roll will be the Laker weapon as it was for the Magic. Kevin’s gritty fourth quarter and that huge shot with 2:38 left gives me reason to hope, but if he is hobbled Sheed is the guy Doc should turn to. I’m just not sure if his body will keep him on floor for more than 18 minutes.

    P. S.
    I’m one of those nuts who listens to the WEEI radio feed with the TV volume down. Since I like to lather, rinse, repeat and hear JVG’s analysis, I can almost guarantee that NBA TV will repeat the game this afternoon. So it’s another opportunity for you to roll digital tape.

  • @Perry: Great point about the match-up of Brown/Rondo that helped produce a few much-needed hoops.

    The Lakers should be ashamed that Gasol got one shot in the 4th quarter–a desperation 3 in garbage time.

  • gone green

    Lakers Fans are upset because Kobe picked up 5 fouls. In game one Ray played a grand total of 28 mins and no one had anything to say.. To even think that the calls were on sided is obsurd. you could make a case that LA was getting preferential treatment all 5 of the celts bigs had 5 fouls and gasol and bynum combined for 5 fouls. With that said the officials have got to allow the players to determine the outcome of the game. This is the finals people were a championship is at stake. Please stop stopping the flow of the game everytime down court.

    The defense that Boston played last night was superb. Bynum and Gasol had big games but Kobe was 8-20 for 21 points. Not a very efficient night. I said on last thread that Kobe and Gasol Have got to play well for Boston to win KG doesnt. Offensively he had a night mare game, but he fought Gasol on the defensive and and he Kept Gasol off the boards. I dont expect this to be a short series If the Refs let the players play its could be one of the all time greats. To take a quote from from Jalen Rose on sprotscenter, ” this game was about the three R’s Ray, Rajon, and the Refs. The game is never suppose to be about the Ref’s

  • john

    If you do watch it again I ask you to count the fouls called on Bryant. I counted six and obviously he’s listed for 5

  • Worried

    I have to admit I am worried after last night. We got the best Ray Allen we will get the rest of the way by far. KG is effectively done. Pierce isn’t attacking Ron. Perk is a liability on offense. Rasheed is good at the beginning of games but once his back tightens he is done the rest of the game. So it comes down to Rondo and we know that they will adjust to the transition opportunities he had.

    On the Laker side that is as bad as Kobe, Ron, and Fish play the rest of the way. Gasol will produce if he gets touches so we must limit them. Bynum will not play as well on the road and after the long flight so that will help.

    I want to know how you think we can win 3 more and when they come?

  • pilgrimtraveller

    korey, not having yet read this post and the replies, i replied to your reply to me below the previous post; i won’t repost it here. worried, we do indeed have reasons for concern, garnett’s play (health?) chief among them. but i think it’s likelier that fisher and artest will continue to play like they did in the second game than like they did in the first game. yes, kobe can and will play better, but, from the celtics point of view, it may be better for us if he is playing better (scoring more). if he’s in hero mode and isn’t feeding his bigs inside, i think it’s a net gain for the celtics. gasol and bynum are the clear advantage the lakers have over the celtics. i’m surprised to see myself write that, because i had thought garnett would come reasonably close to offsetting gasol and that perkins could defend bynum. thusfar, i’m wrong on both counts. of course, gasol, bynum, and kobe are doing what they’re doing while playing perilously close to 40mpg. which leads me to my last reason for hope: the lakers have effectively no bench.

  • Tom

    As much as everyone makes fun of Scal, who didn’t want Scal in there instead of Shelden William after he missed an easy lay up and throwing two passes to Kobe?

    Why didn’t they try harder to throw Ray the ball. I love the fact that the LA fans got really scared when Ray touched the ball in shooting position.

    I still believe the Nate/Rondo combo might get us the 3-4 points we need when Kobe is on the bench.

  • Jay P


    They did, they were all over Ray in the second half. They clearly made the choice to be a lot more physical with him and stay right on his body the whole half. The 4 fouls Fisher picked up trying to fight around screens and bumping him off spots are a testament to that.

    They being said, I think LA is more willing to accept Fisher risking fouling out every game, than Ray Allen getting to whatever spot he wants and torching them.

    It means the jig is up on Ray, we can’t expect that game again. Not because he’s not capable of it again, but because LA just isn’t going to let it happen again. Paul and KG have to step up, KG needs to be more decisive on shots, he can’t hesitate on that jumper, and he’s gotta hit it. Paul needs to attack Artest, run off screens and force mismatches, and take it to them.

    They cannot adjust for Rondo in transition, he’s too dynamic, their only “adjustment” is to execute their offense, and get scores/free throws. That keeps Rondo from running and is the only real defense you have against it. If Boston gets stops, they run, when Rondo runs, all you can do is try to make it tough on him and pray. There is no defense to the things he can do in the open court.

  • Korey


    Sure the Lakers have “no bench”.

    But do the Celtics have a bench?

    Sheed, nate, tony allen, baby? Come on.

    Lamar Odom, Farmar, Shannon Brown are just as good as that bunch and Lamar Odom is the best bench player in this series.

    Just as the Celts were in DEEP trouble after game 1, the Lakers arent in DEEP trouble in game 2.

    A different set of players will play well game 3.

    It would be best if the Cs didnt just write off the contributions of the Lakers bench (which effectively whooped them game 1).

    i’d be sure the bring this “effectively no bench” comment back to light at a later date.

    I hearty…WE…SHALL…SEE…from me on that one.

  • Korey

    @ Jay P
    (from last thread)

    Sure, phantom calls should be rephrased to “tight” calls then.

    Even with that, I still will take Ray Allen going off all day then Rondo or Pierce.

    Live by the 3, die by the 3 and a couple of mishaps will lead to Laker runouts. Notice, EVERY one else on the Cs was not in sync after Ray got hot so it’s a give/take.

    The biggest take for the Lakers is that Ray typically will go crazy and not get foul calls. A good team can survive that. And we did.

    You cant survive a Paul Pierce 30pt, 15 FT night or a Rondo triple double.

  • freddyfoul

    The announcers talked so much about KG only going up with one hand for rebounds that I kept an eye on him (on TV) and it sure looked like he was having a problem with one of those shoulders. So I wouldn’t be surprised to hear if that’s true.

    Plus Derek Fisher is just horrible. The guy is a clutch shooter but every other part of his game is pretty dang awful. He is a huge liability on defense, HUGE. And because the Lakers don’t have a trustworthy backup, they gotta play matchup games to protect Fisher from getting torched by Rondo, causing Fisher to get torched by Ray Allen. Or causing Kobe to have to play Ray Allen and getting foul calls on him.

    For real, I love D Fish he’s got heart and a great clutch jumper but that stuff’s good for maybe the last 2 minutes per game, the other 46 the guy is a huge liability. If the Lakers had say Darren Collison instead of Fisher they’d be close to unbeatable.

  • Jay P


    Sheed, Nate, Tony Allen, and Baby have been consistently good, the entire playoffs, fi you haven’t noticed. Well, except Nate, and well, except agaisnt Miami for Sheed (which I’m convinced he still just didn’t care about because he knew with or without him the Cs would trounce Miami.)

    But Baby and Sheed have found their shots, Baby’s energy on rebounding has been amazing, Sheed’s post defense has been better than expected. Allen, except for a few games has been great defensively. And Nate has come in the last few games and given some great minutes with timely scoring, and much better than expected defense. So yes, I can absolutely say that Boston has a bench.

    This team isn’t Orlando, their not going “live and die by the 3” as you put it. If the shots aren’t falling, they’ll do something else, and they have the ability to do it. But the shots fell last night, and LA didn’t adjust to take them away (til the second half) so they kept going to Ray. They’ll live by the 3 when it’s falling, and then live by something else if their not falling.

    Odom hasn’t shown up yet, so this “best player off the bench” argument remains to be seen. Right now, the best player off the bench for either team is (I can’t believe I’m about to say this…) Rasheed Wallace. Ugh, that was painful to say, but it’s the truth, for now.

    On paper, Odom is the best player off the bench. But then again, on paper, the Cavaliers were shoe ins to win the finals, and Lebron James is the best basketball player in the world.

  • Korey

    Wait a second, are you saying Sheed, Nate, Tony Allen, and Baby have been “consistently” good?

    So you saying if I get the #s out, that I’ll see consistent performance from those guys.

    I’ll see a consistent performance NOT seen by the Laker bench players?

    Seriously?… OK, now I have a pet project to get on later.

  • Bryan

    I am writing to show you how ignorant LA is…

    Please read this article that was actually published in the LA Times today. This gibberish wouldn’t have been published in a middle school newspaper. The comments sum up what an idiot this “reporter”, TJ Simers actually is. He needs to lay off the peyote before he ever puts a pen to paper again…

    Enjoy… and as one reader put it “if this article was any more slanted I’d be reading it upside down”


  • Jay P

    There are time my dear friend Korey, when stats are meaningless. This will be one.

    Due to the Phx series alone, the +/- numbers due to Odom will vastly skew the playoffs numbers in a bench vs. bench comparison.

    This is my exact point with saying “on paper” Odom is the best player on the bench. But whats stats, records, and all these things “on paper” don’t do, is mean absolutely anything.

    Watch the games, see the minutes those guys are giving, watch what Sheed did agaisnt Howard, watch how Baby’s jump shot looks like the 09 version finally, see how Nate is playing tenacious defense, and pressuring the ball handler the entire length of the court.

    See all of these things, and compare it to anything you’ve seen from anyone on the Lakers bench and tell me, outside of numbers and things “on paper”, the Boston doesn’t have a bench, or that LA’s can even remotely compare.

    Maybe I’m a homer, but I watch the games, and I see what I see.

  • pilgrimtraveller

    korey, i admit i wish the celtics bench was better than it is, and i’ll grant you that odom has the talent to be the best of any of the bench players on the two teams (and i’m very glad that he appears not to have the head to play up to his talent). but i wouldn’t trade any three of sheed, nate, tony allen, and baby even up for odom, farmar, and brown. at least our bench can eat minutes and give our starters rest; your bench can’t be depended on for that much. gasol had to play all but a minute and a half of last night’s game. we know what we’re going to get from big baby—energy, rebounding, and defense, and he’s got a nice mid-range game. tony allen plays defense and can slash. sheed has been brilliant in the playoffs, and so has nate, of late. maybe, bad nate will reappear in the next game, maybe not, but his upside exceeds those of farmar, vujacic,and brown.

  • pilgrimtraveller

    by the way, korey, i ran numbers on the benches in the first two games of the finals. the celtics bench logged 118 minutes, while the lakers logged 114. the celtics bench scored 37 points, gathered 23 rebounds, and accumulated 8 assists. the lakers bench scored 30 points, gathered 16 rebounds, and accumulated 8 assists. thusfar, the statistical disparity does not vastly favor the celtics. i would bet it will as the series goes on.

  • Korey

    I am pretty sure the #s will be even for the Lakers v. Celtics bench over the playoffs.

    Sheed has been terrible have the season and half the playoffs yet all anyone can remember is his consistent play. He’s played 2 good games this series, I’d give him that.

    Tony Allen consistent? Thats a paradox. What has he done this series?

    Big Baby is probably your most consistent bench player. He didnt do anything game 1 and I don think he did much game 2 either.

    I realize that we all overvalue our own players and I’m going to say that’s what this is.

    Shannon Brown and Farmar played OK game 1, stunk it up a bit game 2. Odom didnt do anything.

    Like I said, I’ll run the #s when time allows and try to gain some perspective. But really, I dont think either bench has a distinct advantage.

    This series more than any others is decided by which quartet of star players play best each game…
    Rondo, Allen, Pierce, KG
    Kobe, Gasol, Odom, Artest/Bynum

    That’s my opinion at least.

  • Korey

    if you knew anything about L.A. you would know that nobody reads TJ Simers and everybody in L.A. hates him.
    He’s had a running fued with Phil Jackson and Kobe for a decade.

    His job in L.A. is to be contradictory and say crazy stuff. FAns despise him.

    So yea, good job with your “research”.

    Let’s lay off the broad statements of what people in LA think or whatever cuz obviously you really dont know.


  • Jay P

    Tony Allen has been pretty consistent all playoffs. Defensively at least. His scoring is just a bonus anyway, but he checked Lebron well, and did a pretty solid job agaisnt Kobe in Game 2.

    He was terrible in Game 1 and Kobe ran all over him, but then again, the entire team was.

    All I want from Tony Allen is 10-15 good minutes of defense, making Kobe work hard for points. Any scoring is just an added bonus, and in game 2 at least, we got that.

  • Korey

    I may have come at you too hard.

    I apologize.

    My point is that TJ Simers in no way represents LA and I can easily show you some idiotic Boston sportswriters as well.

    The broad brush isnt necessary here.

  • Korey

    Looking at LeBron’s #s make me extremely reluctant to give Tony Allen any credit.

    But I thought we gave Pierce the cred for good D vs. him?

    So who gets the credit Pierce , Allen, or ???

    Be careful, like I said, I think you are overvaluing your own players. If Tony Allen were on the Lakers, I bet you and pilgrim would be calling them gaaahhhbage! hahahah

  • Todd

    Like Korey said, Simers is a bozo that lives only to provoke. He’s the worst kind of contrarian and should be ignored entirely.

    I have to say that the Celtics definitely proved their mettle last night. After coming out lights out and then letting the Lakers back in it in the waning seconds of the first half, they never relented. They were getting abused on the inside and yet managed to completely dominate the pace of the game and obviously the perimeter play.

    Great game, even if the outcome wasn’t what I would have hoped. Game 3 ought to be a doozy.

  • Jay P


    “So who gets the credit Pierce , Allen, or ???”

    The answer is C, all of the above. And it’s Lebron James, he’s going to get numbers, so will Kobe. But how hard he works for them is the key, and how much you take out of them.

    This is something you can’t see in a box score, so unless you watched the entire Cleveland series, you’re going to have to take my word on that.

    You’re right, I probably would say that if Tony Allen was on the Lakers, cause I wouldn’t have watched every possession, and wouldn’t be able to see the little things he does that don’t show up on the stat sheet.

    But I do watch every possession of the Celtics, and Tony Allen happens to play for them, and I will tell you, he’s been great in ways that people who haven’t watched every possession, or just don’t really get Basketball just can’t understand, you’re the former.

    But you can watch it now, since their playing your Lakers, and make a point to watch out for it, or look at some tapes in Game 2. You’ll see what I’m talking about.

  • Rich

    Ahh that Simmers article was so fantastic. How does an article like that not embarrass one of the larger (I hestitate to say respected papers, it is the L.A. Times after all) papers in the country into canning that guy?

    Seriously, you think LeBron mailed it in for game 5? That Simmers article was almost a purposeful attempt to be fired.

  • Korey

    OK, enough is enough.

    Tony Allen is trash. You havent said it Jay P, but I view Tony Allen just like most Cs fans want to view Shannon Brown or Jordan Farmar.

    Sure, they are NBA players, they can make a good plays here/there.

    But giving him credit for intangible things is a cop out. He barely contributes.

    Let’s review his contributions the next few games to enhance this point. If he does something worthwhile, I’ll give my props and say I was wrong. But judging from these first 2 games and watching him this postseason, I think a “I told you so” will be in order.

  • The Dude Abides

    Congrats to the Celtics on that Game 2 win. Pretty much accomplished by guts, Rondo’s inspired play, and Allen’s scintillating display. This series is looking like a barn burner.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Korey, you say don’t paint with a broad brush & then you say “Tony Allen is trash. You havent said it Jay P, but I view Tony Allen just like most Cs fans want to view Shannon Brown or Jordan Farmar.”

    Korey, are you speaking for “most” Cs fans now????

    I thought Farmar & Brown really contributed to that first lake win. JP is right. TA has been consistently playing good D throughout the playoffs. He did some great things against Wade & Bron. We love his cutting & fast breaking with Rajon, but please TA retire that jumper for now. If TA was not playing well defensively you would be seeing Daniels. Doc would make changes.