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Making Their Own History: Game 1 Open Thread

 

I love Game 1, because the speculation stops. No more lists of the Five Keys to the Finals. No more wondering how often Kobe will guard Rajon Rondo, or how the Garnett-Gasol match-up looks two years later, or how the Celtics will defend Bryant. 

We get to see it all, starting tonight. Much of it will unfold as we suspect, but there will be surprises—a wrinkle in defensive positioning, a match-up that gets more time than we’d expect, a role player who triples his scoring average. 

A guy I’m watching tonight: Kendrick Perkins. Reading Kevin Arnovitz’s TrueHoop post today about re-watching the ’08 Finals reminded me how openly the Lakers helped off of Perkins in that series. Things are different with Andrew Bynum healthy, but if the Lakers stick someone other than Bynum on Perk thinking they can give that person a rest for a possession or two, Perk can go into his back-down game. If the Lakers help off of him too aggressively in the screen/roll, Perk has improved his ability to score on the move enough to punish the Lakers. 

He’s not going to score 20. But he could score 12. And that could be huge. 

Consider this your Game 1 open thread. After three days of build-up, tell us what you’re seeing—what’s going well, what strategic move surprises you, what player is giving his team an unexpected boost. 

And, as always: Go Celtics.

  • RBD

    I’ve been rewatching the 08 series as well.

    One thing you notice is the deep position KG gets on Gasol as he sets up on the post. Happens over and over. KG also made a lot of effective moves going across the lane, off the dribble. Wonder if we’ll see that against Gasol or if it’s a thing of the past now.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    @RBD: I suspect it’s mostly a thing of the past. KG hurt Jamison down low b/c of a simple height edge. I don’t think he can pull of a monster post series against Gasol.

  • RBD

    @Zach: You’re probably right. The moves stood out in part because we haven’t really seen them for a year and a half.

    I’m a shade worried about what KG will be able to give us offensively. He struggled at times in the 08 finals. And that was when he had those moves in his arsenal. Really hope that jumper is falling. We’re gonna need it.

    On a separate note – I passed a guy wearing a Laker jersey today and it was all I could do not to clothesline him.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Some people want competition, but I would love for the Cs to make this a classic beatdown. I just hope Perk doesn’t even breathe near Joey Crawford.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    @Zach PLEASE put up the beautiful Pau painting sometime soon…

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Did anyone else see the Sports Science special on Rajon on espn? They talked about DaVinci with his drawings & proportions of the normal human body. Then they showed Rajon’s wingspan & hands with some classic clips.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Well, here we go.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    They’re still hyping

  • Sophomore

    Good fan appreciation commercial by the NBA, imo.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Aaaaaaaahhhh!!!

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Whoa. That was quick. 11:33 mark.

  • dslack

    That’s a BS double tech. Hate Joe Crawford. Thinks it’s all about him.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Who had 27 seconds till Crawford did something dumb.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Artest pulled Paul down. Let’s hope Artest isn’t going to get away with dirty stuff.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    To be fair, all refs take the cop out of double t’s

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Sit down Fish

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Well things are happening quickly here. Vujacic coming in at the 10-minute mark?

  • dslack

    @Cptn, yeah but it was just 2 guys falling.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    @dslack it looked like Artest had Paul’s elbow locked & dragged him down.

    Don’t like the D

  • dslack

    Ahh, I had forgotten how much fun it is to watch Tony Allen blow layups…

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    TA: Please account for who is guarding you on those one-on-one fast breaks.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Gasol outmuscling KG right now.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    This is not the D we’ve been spoiled with lately.

  • dslack

    @Zach, I don’t understand everyone who said Gasol was soft. European, but not soft.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    How many offensive boards have we given up?

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    I noticed in the Orlando series, the first quarter was telling. If we didn’t get a good lead in the first quarter, we didn’t win the game. Was that just the Orlando series, or should we expect it to be like that for any C’s game, regardless of the competition?

  • dslack

    Perk 1-3 from the line, Pierce 1-2.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    @Miss Moxie Let’s hope it’s just something that happened then.

  • complexity

    Has anyone seen Rondo ever attempt a windmill, holy shit…

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Something positive:
    Sheed is not holding his back

    Great anticipation TA

    If Vuj is bringing the ball up there should be FULL COURT pressure. We are wasting Rajon & TA’s talent being so passive.

    Right now, there is very little pressure on the ball.

  • Sophomore

    Way too many offensive rebounds for the Lakers.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    We had Pau surrounded by 3 Cs, & he still got the rebound. Now, Lamar got another Off. board. We’re gonna need the WHOLE team to rebound

  • Sophomore

    Ouch. Bad Tony means we get Finley.

  • dslack

    No! My cable feed just went out!

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Missed free throws all over the place.

  • JP

    the TA play was great

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Ugh, Paul just got juked with his own pet move

  • dslack

    Get out the wheelchair!

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Layups & off rebounds. We are NOT playing physical D!!!

    Where is Rajon’s head? He is not being very aggressive

  • Sophomore

    So far, biggest problem we have is KG being freaked out on O. Somebody show him a picture of Antawn Jamison.

  • complexity

    Sheed has played great so far, that’s all I’ve noticed.

  • pam

    ugh i cant believe how bad the interior defense is today. where is that damn no layup rule? refs are calling it super tight today.

  • AJ

    Finley’s too slow to guard Brown or Farmar. That’s problematic. Robinson?

  • RBD

    Bad start. Bad officiating (although it’s going both ways).

    TA playing like a rookie.

    Rondo-on-ball not a factor.

  • AJ

    Called it!

  • Sophomore

    good call AJ

  • Sophomore

    Dammit.

  • complexity

    Sheed keeping in the game, unbelievable with how horrible he’s played 90 percent of the time, to be making these type of plays.

  • pam

    good- they are in slight foul trouble
    bad- their bench is frickin outplaying ours! not acceptable!

  • RBD

    The refs are trying to ruin this game.

    Is this what ANYONE wants to watch?

  • dslack

    That’s the first “Wired” I’ve ever seen where the coach is discussing anything resembling strategy.

  • dslack

    “Perkins gathers himself”… Somehow those words will never get old.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    TA shooting jumpers

    While at the other end constant penetration & poor rebounding

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Nice to see Tony Allen again. It has been a while.

  • RBD

    I could penetrate the Celtics perimeter D tonight.

    What are they doing?

  • JP

    they are playing better

  • pam

    gasol VERY easily the best player on court right now.

  • RBD

    Gasol’s been excellent. No doubt.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    It’s more of what they are not doing.

    There is virtually no ball pressure, & guys are driving at will. It’s just like Doc said. They are driving. Our bigs collapse & then our bigs are in very poor possession to rebound.

    When the opposition picks up their dribble & we jump all over them we are playing aggressive D. Right now, Rajon & others are not pressuring the ball. If a laker picks up his dribble we are just standing there (barely bending our knees) letting them look around for someone good to pass to

  • dslack

    Gasol’s real soft, eh?

  • dslack

    Never thought I’d say this, but we NEED Rasheed back in the game.

  • RBD

    @dslack: Agreed. KG ineffective offensively.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    The Celtics and KG must accept that he will not be able to score on Gasol from the post.

  • AJ

    Celtics D is confused…intensity is there, but they’re not getting set quick enough. Also letting Gasol get the low position?! wtf?!

  • Sophomore

    Can I hear again how Andrew Bynum’s knee is all messed up? His mobility looks pretty good to me and he’s on track for 30 minutes.

  • Sophomore

    @Zach – that looks right. The question is whether he can hit his jump shot…

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Rajon was ahead of Fish & just did not hustle. Fish was behind Rondo but actually got past him. Rajon took a horrible angle, & Fish hit a little jumper off the glass. This is the worst Defense I’ve seen from Rajon. Their BENCH guards are dribbling wherever they want & getting layups or ez passes to their bigs.

    Pau has 4 offensive rebounds & 3 blocked shots. Maybe he will be tired in the 2nd half

  • claudio

    We’re still in this! Rondo’s heave a sign of things to come!

  • RBD

    Who feels lucky we’re only down 9?

    Yuck.

  • RBD

    Also, I think we can officially start worrying about whether KG is up for Gasol in this series.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    The worst thing is their defense is much better than our defense right now.

  • JP

    the c’s have been very tenative so far, hopefully doc has them up in the 2nd half

  • I love Green

    Nobody seems agressive tonight on the Celts.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    the entry pass to the post is just way too ez right now

  • I love Green

    Ray should be torching D-Fish

  • I love Green

    Kobe is killing us

  • Cptn Bubbles

    We are not getting back into this game exchanging shots

  • I love Green

    Come on!! Absolutely no help for Ray

  • I love Green

    Bullshit call right there!

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Finally!!! Great D TA

  • I love Green

    Great defense and wonderful no call. That actually wasn’t a foul

  • dslack

    Why does Perkins play with mittens on?

  • I love Green

    Thanks Perk! That was a big offensive possession trying to cut it to 7, and now Gasoft to the free throw line. Thanks again Perkins

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Perk has had trouble with low passes & fancy passes all year…yet…..

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Great D by TA. No block out. They are beating us to every 50/50 ball

  • I love Green

    Gotta grab the damn rebound

  • I love Green

    They don’t miss

  • dslack

    Lakers are hitting everything.

  • I love Green

    We’re in for a long series if this keeps up. Honestly I feel like this is the regular season watching the Celtics, but watching the Lakers you know its the NBA Finals.

  • complexity

    Yah. A huge part of the celtics strategy was Ray Allen and he’s sitting on the damn bench.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    We are allowing them to bring the ball up quickly & get right into their offense.

    Besides TA, there is just a HUGE lack of defensive energy. This looks like the Cs coming off a back to back.

    There are are very few, if any, traps. TA is putting pressure on the ball while the rest of the guys are just going through the motions. They really look listless and not emotionally into the game.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    This is why it was crazy for anyone to prefer Phoenix. Lakers just a way better team. Hitting 55 percent and have rebounded 8 of 19 misses.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Look at Fish putting on FULL COURT pressure, & they are way up!!!!!!!

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Should be a double tech for excessive floppage

  • I love Green

    Wow KG getting bullied by Gasoft. Unreal

  • I love Green

    GRAB THE FUCKING REBOUND!!!!!!!!!!!

    HOLY SHIT!!!!!

  • dslack

    With you all the way, @Zach. Not to mention that, while the best end to a season is the Celtics winning a championship, the worst is the Lakers winning. Phoenix winning would have guaranteed we don’t have to watch Lakers win.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Gasol is getting all these offensive boards. Can ANYONE body him out of the paint?

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Right now, the Cs don’t deserve to win this game. Where is the nasty?

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    So everyone who picked the Celtics to win reasoned that “defense wins championships.” I guess they didn’t count on the C’s not playing D.

  • I love Green

    We finally get a rebound…and theres a foul called. This is so fucking frustrating

  • Evan

    Let’s play a game! I’ll trade you…one of my baskets for…one of your baskets? Deal? OK! HURRAY!

  • I love Green

    Jumper after jumper after jumper after jumper. Only one being aggressive is TA!! And we’re just walking up and down the court. START RUNNING!!!!!!!

  • Cptn Bubbles

    They continue to break down the D & get closer shots. Wouldn’t it be great to see KG at the free throw line ONCE??? Instead, it’s another long jumper from our 7′er.

    They are eating our lunch on the boards. This is where we really miss PJ

  • I love Green

    Celtics playing like softies right now

  • I love Green

    Another jumper when Rondo had a layup!!!!!

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Another jump shot….Please!!! Do we have ANY post game???

    We can’t run because we can’t rebound. We can’t rebound because we don’t push guys out of the paint, & they are sending 3 or more guys after the offensive board. We are playing soft D & trying to jump shoot our way to victory.

  • I love Green

    Wowwwwwwwwwww he did not even fucking touch him

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Odds that Sheed is gonna get a T?

  • complexity

    Well too bad the Celtics didn’t get to play Ray Allen tonight.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    The lakers are playing killer D. It’s like a role reversal.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Why oh why are we playing all tentative and soft, on both ends? Since when is that how we play? I don’t see us making a comeback playing like this. In this game or in the series. We just can’t keep playing like this if we wanna win.

  • I love Green

    Pierce bricked the hell out of that, Big Baby fell down and didn’t try to get back up, leaving us playing 4 on 5. We lost this game, no point in even watching right now.

  • I love Green

    Thanks Sheed!

  • I love Green

    Game set match. This is going to be an ugly series!!

  • complexity

    @I Love Green, you were the one who said the celtics would be the first team to blow a 3-0 series. lol

    Come on, be optimistic. There is a game two.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Look at poor TA trying to rebound by himself vs 3 lakers. Is TA the only C with testosterone tonight?

    This is where you need to just play to win the 4th quarter. You need to establish the ability to out defend them for at least 1 quarter, but it’s like they are sleepwalking.

  • Evan

    Goodnight.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    @I love Green – And short, if we keep playing like this.

  • I love Green

    Hahaha 2 celtics in the backcourt, we had possession, yet turned the ball over.

  • I love Green

    Hey complexity, watch the game. You’ll understand my frustrations.

  • Evan

    Oh and I was thinking something the other day…I know this thing isn’t over blah blah I’m not saying that…but this banner has another importance, because it really puts the possibility of Kobe winning enough for LA to surpass Boston before he retires. I can see him getting 2 more in his career the way they’re managing their roster. After this year, who knows what shape the C’s will be in. We need this one to hold off LA because they’ll never have another Kobe once he retires in the near future.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Wow! We had to have Nate to get a rebound!

    Best D of the night & then Paul carries the ball

  • I love Green

    And 1, but no call

  • I love Green

    Even though KG hit that I want him in the post.

  • I love Green

    Finally being aggressive on defense!! That always transfers into good offense.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Down to 13. Can we get the stops?

  • RBD

    Not optimistic tonight.

    L.A. just flat out better in all aspects of the game.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    I agree totally. When the Cs play extremely hard & nasty on D it leads to easier offense.

  • complexity

    @ I Love Green, I’m watching the game, and if it wasn’t for one mistake by Pierce, they’d be down in single digits, give them a chance.

    I understood your frustrations in the last series, but it doesn’t mean they are going to lose 4-0.

  • I love Green

    Oh boy no help there!

  • I love Green

    Gasoft trashing KG. Lets hope this isn’t a common theme

  • I love Green

    Good hustle by Baby

  • I love Green

    Kind of wish Doc would put Rondo in.

  • I love Green

    Sad excuse for an offense

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Look at how ez the passing is for the lake. Lamar picks up his dribble & there is NO ball pressure so they are able to swing it back around for an eventual close shot for Pau.

    WHO is playing Pau? He is absolutely embarrassing them.

  • I love Green

    @Cptn- KG is supposed to be, but he keeps forgetting that.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    IF ANYBODY is running the floor it should be the Cs! Lakers have the lead & should be using clock, but they are still continuing to RUN the floor. Our bigs are trotting or walking while they are bolting down the floor.

  • I love Green

    Somebody is paying Garnett!!!

    He’s not playing defense, or offense!

    WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT LAYUP RIGHT THERE!?!?!?! Could’ve cut it to 11!

  • RBD

    KG looks like a guy who should be in the D-league. Absolute and complete domination by Pau.

    Very frustrating.

  • dslack

    Why is KG in instead of Rasheed?

    (Am I really typing this???)

  • Cptn Bubbles

    KG looks horrible!!! Where is Sheed? Or Shelden? KG can have terrible games like everyone else so why not try Shelden? He would at least run really hard both ways. It can’t get much worse for KG.

    Credit to the lake. They are passing the ball from side to side, moving the ball & guys around. The Cs are making 1 or 2 passes & trying to force a shot.

  • I love Green

    Too many tick tack fouls called

  • I love Green

    Keep getting stops AND REBOUNDS.

    And Odom scores as I type this

  • I love Green

    Garnett is killing us

  • I love Green

    Garnett AGAIN! This is so sad

  • Cptn Bubbles

    The Cs have terrible spacing on offense. KG needs some rest.

  • I love Green

    I quit. See you guys for game 2.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Why is Glen sitting? He is not the problem

  • dslack

    Well hey, remember what game 3 against Cleveland looked like?

  • Coolin

    This loss was on the starting five except Paul Pierce. Not one of these guys played average, they were all really bad. Rondo sucked, Garnett sucked, Allen sucked, and Perkins sucked. LA has a toughness this year they didn’t have in ’08. I am not confident in the Celtics for Game 2 if these clowns don’t shape up.

  • RBD

    @dslack

    This is the ONLY thing I’m gonna take out of tonight.

    We can come back after looking utterly dead.

    Pretty worried about KG’s health though.

  • Cptn Bubbles

    Paul looks mad. That’s a very good thing. Wish some of the other Cs looked angry.

  • J Atlas

    this loss was preceded by a red sox home loss..just not a good day for beantown

  • LAKERS FAN

    CHUMPIFICATION

  • sacbobv

    To all the Laker fans:
    Congrats on winning game one, errr, one game?

    Yeah, that’s it!

  • Jay P

    There was no question KG had lost a step this year.

    But he was beat in every facet of the game. He was thoroughly and completely whipped by Pau Gasol.

    The question after that performance isn’t has he lost a step, it’s are we sure he’s only lost one?

  • Lakers4life

    only one game? lol – Phil Jackson 47-0 when winning game one. According to a mathematician, chances of doing that are 1 in 3 billion.

    Good night – series is over.

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