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Do or Die: Game 4 Open Thread (Plus Sunday Notebook)

 

Some quick Sunday links:

Chris Forsberg’s report on Boston’s Saturday practice focuses on the team’s (lack of) defense in Game 3 and the collapse of Boston’s transition offense in this series:

According to those same wizards at ESPN Stats and Information, the Celtics are averaging only 8.7 fast-break points per game in this series, the worst among any remaining playoff team. This after Boston averaged more than twice that amount — 17.8 fast-break points per game to be exact — in a first-round, five-game triumph over the Miami Heat.

• In the Globe, Doc gripes about the officiating in Game 3:

It’s what it is,’’ Rivers said. “I felt like we were playing on the road, to be honest.’’

And:

“I’m going to do what they did,’’ Rivers said. “I’m going to start sending 40 clips. I was going to send just the whole game film in, but I thought that would take too long.’’

The Herald focuses on the C’s defense in Game 3. Perk angry:

“Guys know what we have to do,” Perkins said. “We have a veteran team. Guys were disappointed. A lot of guys probably didn’t sleep (Friday) night, I was one of them. So there’s no pep talk at this point in time. Either you want it or not.”

Doc, meanwhile, criticized the back line help defense:

“Our help wasn’t very good,” Rivers said. “That’s one of the points that we made on film. Ray (Allen), Paul (Pierce), Tony (Allen) and whoever else guarded LeBron gave him way too much space, but then there was no help.”

Steve Bulpett has given up trying to predict how the C’s will play in any particular game, and he calls out their effort:

Of all the bad things you can say about these Celtics, this might be the strongest indictment. They don’t always give you everything they have.

From a distance, I rarely feel comfortable arguing that a team didn’t try their hardest, so I’m leaving that alone. 

Interestingly, though, Perk feels the same way Bulpett does in terms of the C’s unpredictability:

Kendrick Perkins was a little more forthright when asked if he had any idea how the Celtics as a team would come out to play this afternoon.

“Nope,” he said.

“What about you? What do you think?”

I have no idea.

“Me neither,” said Perkins.

That’s a little comforting. I hate being stupid alone.

“No,” Perk said, “I’m right with you.”

Yikes.

• The Herald pays tribute to Bobby Vines.

• A. Sherrod Blakely reports that Big Baby spent Saturday’s practice working on his jumper. Also of note: Perk says his hyper-extended right knee isn’t bothering him. I believe Perk—he’s a straight-shooter—but I’ll be more skeptical if the C’s double Shaq on several more possessions this afternoon.

That’s it for now. It’s Mother’s Day, so I’m headed to the burbs of Connecticut to see my parents. Luckily for me, Dad is a huge Celtics fan (how do you think a kid from Fairfield County came to like the C’s?), so Game 4 is part of the official Mother’s Day itinerary. 

Consider this your Game 4 open thread. Tell us what you’re seeing. Have the C’s tweaked the way they’re defending LeBron? How are they trying to get Pierce’s game going? How is Rondo attacking Anthony Parker? 

Enjoy the day, and, hopefully, the game.

  • JP

    I think this is the kind of game where Doc earns his money. How he plans on adjusting to what the Cavs are doing is crucial.

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  • http://espn.com Chris

    The Celtic’s will lose because they can’t stop LeBron… And Pierce has no answer for him. Even if he scores 50 (which he will not) they will still lose. This is the Cavs year. Face it Celtic fans.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    I’m scared. I feel like I’m walking into an inevitable beatdown.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Chris, the C’s can’t stop LeBron, and that’s why they’ll lose? No one can stop LeBron, so I guess the Cavs will never lose, right?

  • Zain

    Chris seems like a pretty smart guy!

    I thought last year was the Cav’s year?…Oh wait…

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Interesting Sheed is off the bench before BBD.

  • Kevin

    Getting tired of watching LeBron cry…

  • Mike

    Chris, I fully believe if the Cavs beat the Celtics, they will lose to the Magic in the ECF. So no, it isn’t the Cavs year.

  • Zain

    Rondo has been driving quite a bit this game early on and leads all scorers with 8. Interesting by the Celtics, I’m glad its working but I doubt it’s by design. I’d like to see the other Celtics get going in the points column.

  • Zain

    The TA ‘foul’, legit, or LBJ tripping himself?

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Looked legit to me. But the fact we’re asking after a replay shows how tough those sorts of calls are. Definitely some body contact before he fell.

  • Zain

    Hah. Rondo’s play to save that ball–awesome.

  • RBD

    For the lunatic conspiracy fringe:

    It is in the NBA’s interest for Boston to win this game.

  • Mike

    Rajon Rondo is the best point guard in the world when he wants to be. He has the ability to completely control a basketball game.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Leon Powe in for the Cavs. I’m thinking he’ll draw at least one charge.

  • Zain

    By that logic, it’s in the NBA’s interest for this series to go 7 games, and then the ref’s help Cavs win it at the Q.

  • Kevin

    Zain, I think Rondo hit Varejao right in his vagizzle.

  • Zain

    Kevin, that’s why I love it. I hate that guy.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    The save off of Varejao was awesome.

  • Zain

    Anyone else catch that Rondo already has 5 rebounds? Kid is absolutely insane.

  • RBD

    @Zain – agreed. I don’t think there’s any conspiracy, but I was hoping that the constant complaining about fouls (not by you) would be tempered by the fact the NBA is best served by Boston winning this game. Any intellectually honest conspiracy nut should agree with that. After all, they can fix game seven or game six if they want. Why not make more money and keep more people interested by having Boston win today?

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Uh oh. That run happened with Lebron on the bench.

  • complexity

    If you honestly think the refs have the fix in. Why the hell do you watch it? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

  • RBD

    @complexity I agree with you. I don’t know why people insist on watching when they think it’s fixed.

  • complexity

    Ray catching fire, hopefully that opens up this game a bit.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Cavs just 9-of-27 from the floor. Great D so far. C’s shooting 15-of-28.

  • Zain

    Can the C’s sustain it with their foul trouble from the bigs? I know its mostly the bench, but still.

    Also, great block by Perk, and a little amazed the ref’s didn’t call a charge on Rondo to favor the poster boy.

  • Sophomore

    Jeez. gotta hit our free throws… and it’d be nice to see a travel called on Shaq.

  • JP

    Of course when LeBron travels (and gets called for it) he gets bailed out by the refs…of course

  • Mike

    KG WASNT EVEN IN THAT PLAY!!

  • Sophomore

    That was a second straight horrible call. Even Van Gundy is on it.

  • Zain

    @Zach, do you notice the C’s cheating a bit on D for the double on Shaq? Makes me think Perk isn’t okay as he says.

    Did they really just overturn a travel call and change it to a foul?

  • complexity

    It’s the NBA, horrible calls happen. Especially when they involve superstars.

  • complexity

    Rondo. Why didn’t you do this in game 3!

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Rajon! Make your FTs!

  • RBD

    Might as well start TA at SF in the second half.

    Pierce is in a coma.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Come on, guys: LBJ was fouled on the play he traveled. You saw that, right?

    Haven’t noticed too much cheating on Shaq but I’ll look for it.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    And by the way, if you wanted to, you could easily collect clips of little bumps here and there, on both sides, the refs don’t call.

  • JP

    Rondo is easily on pace for a triple double, and we’ll definitely need it to win this game. Pierce and Perk have done nothing.

  • complexity

    True Zach. They’ve called a foul basically every possession this game, on both sides, so that wouldn’t get anyone very far.

  • Sophomore

    Pierce looks shell-shocked. Never seen him look so small for so long.

  • complexity

    Maybe we should just have a foul shooting contest instead. Play a game of knockout.

  • Zain

    No, there was a foul–you’re right. I’m just amazed that a little whining gets the call reversed. They wouldn’t do that for just anyone.

  • Kevin

    JP,
    Perk is plaing fierce D.

  • Mike

    That play is why Mo Williams is not a good point guard. LeBron was ready to post up Rondo in a huge mismatch, and Williams fires up a deep 3. We are lucky to have Rondo.

  • complexity

    No. Don’t get Shaq in foul trouble. I’d rather have him on the court.

  • Zain

    These missed free throws are killing us. Missed 7 so far.

  • JP

    how many fouls does James have? Seems like zero.

  • Sophomore

    “And I thought he was getting fouled in there.” Me too.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Davis was getting hacked on that!

  • Zain

    So..all that fighting and hacking down low, and no call. LBJ BUMPS into Ray, and its a foul. Nice.

  • Sophomore

    JP – he’s got one.

  • RBD

    This game is too close for comfort.

    PP’s no-show may doom us.

  • Sophomore

    Paul Pierce has a pulse!

  • JP

    aaaannnnnd Pierce passes to no one…great.

  • Sophomore

    I spoke too soon.

  • Zain

    What was..Pierce..thinking on that play? I’m utterly confused.

  • complexity

    I noticed that Pierces eyes were blood shot earlier. He surely hasn’t got enough sleep lately.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Well that was an unimpressive (and wasted) last possession. Why do we keep running isos when the clock is winding down anyway? Does that all of a sudden become the best play, rather than moving the ball to get a high-percentage shot from an open guy?

  • RBD

    PP has to be stressed about his garbage performance. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was not sleeping.

  • Jay P

    Pierce looks awful again today. Rondo looks great, KG and Ray are shooting well.

    These Refs freaking suck, again. Ya know, I really really try not to be one of those idiots out there crying league conspiracies, but this is getting ridiculous.

    I’m finding it really tough to continue arguing that’s there’s no Ref bias or league agenda, when Davis is getting absolutely murdered underneath by about 4 different Cavs with no call, and then on the other end they call a nothing touch foul on Ray Allen to give James shots.

  • RBD

    @ Jay P

    Why wouldn’t the refs favor Boston? Makes more sense from a financial perspective.

  • complexity

    I haven’t even seen Pierce make a great defensive play in a long time. He was making tons of them in Miami. Chasing down balls or blocking them. When there is a fast break, Pierce is nowhere to be seen.

  • I love Green

    Pierce…wow

    Good to see Ray hitting his good looks today, and Rondo proving the Cavs can’t stop him. We gotta go more into the post to KG, keep Rondo aggressive, keep running plays for Ray, and keep the intensity on defense.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    @JayP: Did you see the play when Jamison scored and Davis clearly bumped him? Or when KG bumped Mo Williams on a screen/roll hedge, and Mo fell, and there was no call?

    I mean, come on. Not saying either of those was a foul, but both could have easily been called fouls and weren’t.

  • JP

    I feel like the reffing has been awful but on both sides. The shots are about even, its just that they are making bad calls. And not calling anything on LeBron…ever.

  • DRJ1

    Could Paul Pierce be any worse? How do we win a series with PP playing like a scrub??

  • I love Green

    If the Celtics win the 3rd by 5 or more points, then the game is over.

  • I love Green

    @DRJ- We win with great defense, and great Rondo.

  • complexity

    I love Green? Do you know something that I don’t. They have been horrible in the fourth.

  • complexity

    Allen tweaked his ankle. Great, he was playing outstanding D.

  • RBD

    @ I love Green @DRJ1

    We can’t win this series without PP.

    3.5 games of no offense.

    This is a tightrope.

  • Sophomore

    If the Celtics win this quarter by 5, I’ll be pleasantly surprised. What bugs me the most is that I have no confidence they can make a few defensive stops if they need to.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Pierce hasn’t been himself in this series so far. Is it because something’s wrong with him (not necessarily physically) or are the Cavs are just making him look bad?

  • DRJ1

    @Green– I’m not sure we can win if Paul is out there, 1/5 of the team sucking. Right now, I’m glad he’s got all those fouls and outta there.

  • complexity

    The momentum is all in the cavs favor right now.

  • I love Green

    Man this is getting ugly. Seems like a blowout, and we’re winning.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    We need stops. And we need to score.

  • DRJ1

    Incredibly bad officiating.

  • DRJ1

    Shaq is the Lebron James of this game. If he misses, he was fouled.

  • RBD

    Boston needs to up the energy on the defensive end. The perimeter D is weak. They keep getting to the rim.

  • complexity

    Rondo must be tiring, Allen has a bad ankle, Perks is obviously not himself, though he has played hard. Pierce really doesn’t even need to come back in the game. If we somehow pull off a win, that is a miracle. But it’s not looking good right now.

  • Jay P

    God awful calls on both ends of the floor back to back possessions. Perkins got mugged on the screen and roll, then on the fast break there was no call on KG who clearly gave Shaq some chin music.

    I’m sick of terrible officiating. It makes games not fun to watch.

  • Sophomore

    They look scared. Reminds me of bad Celtics.

  • DRJ1

    Yes… Rondo looking tired.

  • RBD

    Oh boy – we’re in big trouble here.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    This is getting too close. I don’t feel good about how things are going right now.

  • Kevin

    They need to call defensive 3 seconds. With TA in, James is playing a one-man zone.

  • RBD

    Cleveland’s going to win this game.

  • DRJ1

    Wow… did TA just block Lebron James on a drive? Who does that? :)

  • Kevin

    Signs of life…but the block by James was phenomenal.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Mom on the couch now in the Lowe household. She feels responsible for the Cavs recent run and offered to leave for luck.

  • Zain

    Allen, Rondo, KG-18 points each
    Pierce, Perkins combined-5

  • RBD

    Perk’s done a great job on D.

  • Zain

    He has, but some questionable decisions when he has the ball in his hands.

  • DRJ1

    Too bad, foolish 3-point foul on West.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Aww Mrs. Lowe.

  • Kevin

    Nice try, Varejao. Can I get a T, please?

  • JP

    nice assist by Rondo to TA!!!

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Rondo’s getting tired. That was a tired-person foul.

  • complexity

    Brilliant play by Rondo. Pierce messes up again.

  • DRJ1

    Wow… no, we cannot win with Paul Pierce playing like this. If he touches the ball, it’s going to be an empty possession 4 out of 5 times (at least).

  • RBD

    @DRJ1

    Agree with you.

    This is the biggest quarter of Pierce’s season.

    He has to deliver or our season is effectively over.

  • complexity

    The era of the big 3 all comes down to this..the fourth quarter, the whole season summed up, very symbolic.

  • tanat-0s

    Rondo is the MANNNNNNNNN!

  • complexity

    Thank you Tony. Think its the first time he has ever passed in that situation.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    @complexity–When he had the ball I was like, don’t do it, don’t do it! And he didn’t! He made the right play and passed the ball!

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Personally, I think the Big 3 era is already a success.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Terrible decision by Raon on that full court pass.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Damn! Wasted possession!

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Then, of course, he follows with an impossible pass that BBD somehow catches and finishes. amazing play by Baby.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    @Zach–I agree.

  • complexity

    @Zach, I agree completely. I didn’t say the era of big 3 was summed up by this fourth quarter, just this season.

    I’m not counting them out yet either.

  • Sophomore

    I think I counted three big baby baby steps there, but I’ll take it.

  • complexity

    Rather could be summed up by this quarter, do they choke or overcome?

  • RBD

    PP is helping just by drawing defensive attention. Would it kill him to hit a shot though?

  • complexity

    What a mature play by Tony Allen.

  • Sophomore

    TONY ALLEN!!!

  • Sophomore

    ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG

  • complexity

    Wow. Glenn Davis, Rondo, and Tony Allen. Making things happen.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Mature is the right word. That was a mature play by TA.

    And, let me say this: Sheed is making a difference in the paint on D right now.

  • complexity

    Yes. He made that last play happen, with a great defensive play.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Nate with a huge bump with Davis–his biggest contribution of the playoffs.

  • JP

    do you feel it….. 08 level defense!

  • complexity

    Sheed again!

  • banner18?

    I like that 3 by Pierce. If he drains it, the garden goes insane…. if he misses the lead stays at 12, obviously.

  • Sophomore

    Interesting. They’ve talked a lot about how Jamison likes to go to his right, but LBJ really, really wants to go to his right.

  • complexity

    Banner. I agree, but no rhythm at all on the shot.

  • RBD

    Half-court offense is tentative.

  • complexity

    I also don’t think Pierce has to score to win this game. To win this game, they need to keep getting stops.

  • JP

    @complexity: and we need to keep letting Rondo do his thing

  • Sophomore

    Too right, complexity. Some stops… and more transition buckets. Maybe they’ll get their half-court confidence back (or overcome the lack of it).

  • tanat-0s

    Doc is so stubborn sometimes, keep the young guns in the game, they got you this lead. You need to trust your bench, Gentry did it with Dragic.

  • complexity

    I think Allen asked to be taken out of the game? At least that is what the announcers said.

  • Joel W

    Rasheed. Trying.

  • complexity

    Wow. That’s really bad. We can’t go into overtime either.

  • Sophomore

    “That’s not a foul by Kendrick Perkins.” Indeed.

  • complexity

    On that play, KG actually pushed someone down. We are lucky that Rondo even got the opportunity to make that layup.

  • complexity

    Also remember Lebron is not Michael Jordan when the game is down to 30 seconds.

  • JP

    I think they were about to bring in Pierce to space the floor more (TA doesn’t do it) but then TA made some nice plays and I don’t think Pierce ever got back in. We honestly don’t need Pierce right now. TA has been amazing. Ride the hot hand.

  • Zain

    Defense is holding up, but need to convert a few to extend this paper thin lead.

  • RBD

    So what do we run next half-court set?

  • Jay P

    LOOSE BALL FOUL ON GARNETT ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • complexity

    @ JP, what did you say?

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    I’m not the only one who thinks that loose-ball foul on KG was completely made up, right?

  • RBD

    Rondo!!!!!!!!!!!

  • JP

    Rondo has 18 rebounds, that is ridiculous. Awesome dunk by Pierce!

  • Sophomore

    Wow. What can you say about that pass by Rondo?

  • JP

    @complexity: haha I have no idea, I was typing during a commercial and the game came back on and I just submitted it.

  • complexity

    If we do win this one. I hope we don’t start hanging the banner yet.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    This an all-time Boston post-season performance by Rondo. He’s about three made foul shots away from being in “epic/pantheon” territory.

  • complexity

    @ JP, its ok, you can retract your statement.

  • complexity

    I almost typed the same thing earlier, now pierce has made 3 huge plays.

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Perk didn’t move!

  • http://hoopstersworld.blogspot.com miss j.moxie

    Ray is out. Is there enough time for the Cavs to play the foul/free-throw game and pull off a win? With the C’s best FT shooter fouled out…

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    Lots of dumb fouls. Driving my Dad crazy. My Mom meanwhile is commenting on the lack of tattoos on Rondo.

  • complexity

    Way to go Celtics, great game. Classic one for Rondo.

    But let’s talk about Lebrons elbow, I think that is the “real story”.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    It should be said: Rajon Rondo has 18 rebounds. 18! It’s news when Dwight Howard gets 18 rebounds!

  • JP

    Orlando is going to have a loooong time off until they play in the ECF

  • Sophomore

    Mo Williams should change his name to Les Williams.

  • http://www.celticshub.com Zach Lowe

    C’s have made this a series. Good for them.

    Onto Cleveland.

  • RBD

    Rondo is ridiculous.

    A legit #1 player on a title team.

  • Jay P

    Ok I can breathe now… but the Refs still sucked.

  • RBD

    Refs blew a bunch of calls both ways. Overall, it was pretty even. We have nothing to complain about there.

  • Zain

    Now to storm the Q after a wonderful fight back in response to G3.

  • Dan

    The only call I’d complain about is the when they reversed a call after LeBron complained. What a horrible precedent to set. I think Kobe had a similar play a week ago – is this really the direction for the league to go?

  • Joel W

    Danny Ainge getting rondo for 5 and $55 at the beginning of the season is looking like the 2nd or 3rd best move he’s made as Celtics GM.

  • Joel W

    Also, holy shit, just noticed the Celtics went 1-14 from 3 and still won. How often have they won while only hitting one 3 in a game?

  • PierceTurth

    i have one, long word to say about this game:
    RONDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

  • I love Green

    Refs sucked for both teams in this game to be honest. But in the 4th they were letting them play a little more.

    Rondo seriously needs to start being considered the best PG in the game today. 29 pts, 18 REBOUNDS!! and 13 assists. Definitley up there on one of the best playoff games for a point guard.

    Pierce sucked again…on offense. On defense he came up huge against Lebron, and he had that big dunk to stop the Cavs momentum.

    Ray and KG played great, on offense, and defense. Ray did good on Lebron in the first half when Pierce got in foul trouble.

    Perkins had a solid 0 points. Except he had 4 blocks, and played great help defense.

    SHEEEED! He sucked on offense, but had some big hustle plays. Yeah I said it, Rasheed Wallace hustled for some rebounds, and put some effort in.

    Great overall game for the Celtics, and if we take game 5, I gaurentee we win game 6.

  • MisplacedCsFan

    If paul peirce can go for over 20, the C’s can win game 5. Lebron clearly is affected by that injury. He had 2 huge games after a long rest and 2 average ones after a shorter turnaround.

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